positional play or tactics?

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22nd November 2008, 09:34pm
#1
by masteryoda
USA United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 269

hi chess.com members!

I would like your opinion on this: For a beginner, what is more important...positional play or tactics and why?

 

Thanks

22nd November 2008, 10:16pm
#2
by JoelWD
New Jersey United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 59

You need tactics to win and positional play to be a competant player and recognize when to change tactics. While tactics will win you more games in the begining, an equilibrium of the two will make you more consistant.

22nd November 2008, 10:53pm
#3
by brandonQDSH
Honolulu, HI United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 996

For anyone below 2000,

TACTICS TACTICS TACTICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But strategic play helps as well.

22nd November 2008, 11:23pm
#4
by Cratercat
Santa Clara United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 52

Bobby Fischer said tactics flow from a superior position, so I suspect the two are intertwined. But I agree with brandonQDSH, you'll be able to capitalize on your opponents blunders with tactics study.

23rd November 2008, 12:02am
#5
by Proficiens
Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1

I agree with Cratercat... You use positional play to get in a better position than your opponent and then you use tactics to try to finish him off.

26th November 2008, 06:51am
#6
by frenzelo
Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1

Well whatever, whichever. You can use positional play as the foundation/part of your tactics.

26th November 2008, 08:02am
#7
by sableWhist
Dayton United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 180

Good positional play is probaly beyond the grasp of beginers, until they get better they should stick to tactics

26th November 2008, 08:07am
#8
by Shindokun
north carolina United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 32

at the risk of sounding repetitve tactics tactics tactics. They are basic and are founded on patteren recognition. Positional chess is very subtle and varies based on the positions you encounter in your games but a knight fork is a knight fork either way 

26th November 2008, 09:04am
#9
by normajeanyates
london [often in calcutta india] England
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2597

I think beginners should play a lot of (maybe unrated) sicilian-najdorfs as black against strong players... and then use an engine to see what tactics they missed - or, if they are lucky, get a helpful strong-opponent who will point out what was missed *immediately* after the miss...

Or pay to get a good coach.. :)

26th November 2008, 09:29am
#10
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 1463

As a beginner you should work on tactics regularly, and also work on getting all sorts of fundamentals together -- whether you want to call these things positional or not I don't know: developing your pieces in the opening, seizing space, learning basic endings, learning basic mating patterns, etc.  "Positional" chess covers a lot of ground... it includes things that are very basic and should be a part of beginner's thinking, and advanced things that are very difficult to apply. Positional concepts are often easier to comprehend than they are to apply effectively. There's a tactical point or two to deal with in almost every position. 

In short... yes, work on tactics... but there's more for a beginner to study productively than tactics only.

26th November 2008, 09:43am
#11
by normajeanyates
london [often in calcutta india] England
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2597

learn prophylaxis and blockade first :D

26th November 2008, 09:53am
#12
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 765

study tactics, and by playing get a feeling for positional play

14th December 2008, 07:39pm
#13
by Arv123
New York City United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 451

tactics of cource

14th December 2008, 07:44pm
#14
by LYCAN148
Auckland New Zealand
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1168

tactics

14th December 2008, 07:51pm
#15
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

Cratercat> Bobby Fischer said tactics flow from a superior position

Right on. Tactics flow from a superior position, but at the beginner level they seem to flow even more often from blunders, so I say tactics to begin. By the way, I plan to stop by and play at your favorite locale in SF in the near future. ;)

20th December 2008, 10:56pm
#16
by pckben
Da Nang City Vietnam
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 47

whatever, just study lots of opening and play lots of game, read lots of book. Sure you will be a chess master one day ;-)

20th December 2008, 11:07pm
#17
by Chessroshi
Indianapolis United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 739

you are talking about yin and yang my friend, nothing more important than other! Positional ideas are known as Static elements of the position. Tactical ideas are known as the Dynamic elements of the position. What is best for a beginner is to learn the object of the game, and how it is achieved in a technical aspect. These unwavering chess truths, the checkmate setups and the mechanics behind them are the foundation that chess knowledge is built upon. All chess moves in a game must be made in context of the overall aim. Without truly understanding the end result, we are destined to be chess piece movers and NOT chess players.

20th December 2008, 11:48pm
#18
by consolites
Camarines Norte Philippines
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 12

tctics........

29th September 2009, 05:35pm
#19
by masteryoda
USA United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 269

i heartity agree with chessroshi

 

opinionis

29th September 2009, 05:54pm
#20
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 2539

Tactics comes first. You can't drop valuable pieces too easily.

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