As live  premoves have no equivalent in OTB chess, should they be relegated to a separate category of game like 960 ?. Would including "premoves  on"  as a detail of game invites be a good compromise ?

Do premoves have an unsuspected  playing field levelling effect ironing out differences in access speed  or mouse versus  touchpad ?

I don't think apartheid is really a great term to use for this.

Perhaps an Americanism is better (choose one):

• Segregation
• Separate-but-equal
• Internment

[EDIT: FWIW, I'm with Phrage - it practically qualifies as a variant by definition]
[EDIT2: WRT word choice, I'm with ivandh - by definition 'apartheid' implies race discrimination]

As for the word apartheid... no, not really all that appropriate.

As for the content of the OP, if you don't like that someone is using pre-moves against you, then simply make a move on your end that is out of the ordinary and unexpected, that usually helps.

To the argument that something should be done because there is no equivalent OTB, this isn't OTB anyway, so why should that hold any water?

Thanks Writch, much better!

 apartheid means a separate area of existence- apart-hood, but rather than attack the term consider the idea.

("not appropriate" is a phrase for  phusspots wearing tin shoes and drinking tepid milk  who go through life in high dudgeon  being ' deeply offended")

If we remove the close connection with OTB chess  does live chess not then become something else -a  joystick video game ?

What of the notion of announcing in your invite that it is a pre move chess game ?

One is always free to insist on a bonus addition which gets around the  premove silliness a bit but I do believe the invite should say whether premoves will be used at least  

And "apartheid" is a word for racial division in economic, educational and social rights and welfare. Which now that I think of it is a pretty good term, those degenerate premove bastards ought to be in their own compound without getting their grubby hands on our pure and unspoiled ratings.

You can never be a politician now.

because it was possible up until 20 minutes ago. 

polymath,  polygraphist, pollydollys club for pvc admirersm and polymorphous perversity university positions still open and hiring however.  

Pre-moves have an antecedent in old "snail mail" correspondence chess, where you could send conditional moves to save postage, usually for recaptures or forced replies.

The difference was that you could see the conditional before you moved.  The pre-move here is completely different.  It goes against the principle of a live, timed game.

At the very least, the opponent should be able to see the entered pre-moves, just as "if" moves in correspondence.  (Same should go for conditional moves in turn-based, btw).

Live chess has pre-moves. Online chess has conditional moves. Never the twain etc. Just take oph the phraught phrock hun and you'll be phine  Phezzique

premoves can be switched on or off or on for one player and off for her opponent.

So pre-move discordant games are played. 

many skilled newbies get crucified by pre-moves and yell "cheat"

There is a type of low  skulldugger member who lies in wait for a  1200 rating and pounces on pre-pre move neophytes.    

 Paaulty Phuzzy Connection Phezzique  -your opponent does not reach five moves into the phuture  on OTB games unless of course your OTB board and you  have recently moved to a multi dimensional with a side order of coleslaw  universe.  

This thread would probably be hard to follow even if I weren't drunk.

aye aigrie

I don't understand this thread.

I'll try to elucidate.

Premoves are like foreplay.  Those types of extended intimate encounters are segregated like South African Apartheid from Quickies.

We should categorize our romances in terms of years of racial abuses.

I hope that makes sense.

But those are strictly in terms of SubDom relationships.

And by pre-announcing pre-moves, Phrage (reasonably) thinks partner-opponents should agree to a safeword.