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Promoting pawns when you are ahead in material...Rude?

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wik8

chess is a game of war; no quarter asked nor given.

if there is a move that leads to a greater chance of winning, i will play it, and i don't give a hoot if my opponent is offended by it. 

bronsteinitz

I like this conversation. Much more interesting than this meeting that I am currently in, which is about our new bicycle shed.

bronsteinitz

Just thinking while discussing the shed. Is there any move that you can play on a chess board that could really offend your opponent? Like dancing with your king? Or sacking first 3 pieces before you do a mate???

ozzie_c_cobblepot

If you said "J'adoube" after every single move by your opponent, they might get offended.

But it's not my fault if my opponent doesn't move to the center of the square, right? Right???

Dragon72066

Repetitive draws usually offend. The game is lost and when you sack them with a repetitive draw, tempers open mouths.

SmyslovFan

Star, repetitive draw offers explicitly against the laws of chess.

iamdeafzed
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SmyslovFan

Chess doesn't need a doubling cube, but chess.com might.

Of course, it would make a shambles of any rating system, but it would get people to resign in a timely manner. Is this a big enough problem to make that sort of a trade-off?

SmyslovFan

Regarding a rating doubling cube: Imagine two players rated 1500. At each move, the players double the ratings cube. Without any limits on doubling, the winner of that one game could conceivably have a 3000 rating!

JackzofClubs
BruceJuice wrote:

I don't think they always expect to win. In sports like football or basketball the teams will play on in one-sided games even though it's blatantly obvious that there is no way they can win the game. Perhaps they are bringing this over to chess.

Strong players know that one-sided games are usually a matter of technique or a science. But I think most people will see it as a game or sport instead of a science and they will play on until the end.

chess played with a time control is more of a sport than a science. it becomes a full fledged science when it's centaur correspondence chess. which does in fact go on in the chess world apparently.

so there's your scale. the shorter the time control the more sport, game, fun, entertainment the longer the time control the more serious intellectual endeavor, science, work. In my opinion they seemed to have struck a nice balance between the two extremes with current standard time controls of 40 moves in 1 hour and then an additional 30 minutes.

JackzofClubs

this thread is filled with nonsense by the way.

skinnypurpleducks

I had an opponent who tried to have 5 queen on board.. It finished as stalemate

ozzie_c_cobblepot
SmyslovFan wrote:

Regarding a rating doubling cube: Imagine two players rated 1500. At each move, the players double the ratings cube. Without any limits on doubling, the winner of that one game could conceivably have a 3000 rating!

Excellent point. The phenomenon of the single game 100-pt match on FIBS, where you agree a priori to double at every opportunity.

These are people who trade equity derivatives to get leveredged deltas.

SmyslovFan

Even that rule, Panta, would make a shambles of any rating system. The question remains whether such a drastic measure would be useful here. Personally, I don't think it's a major problem.

ollave
eddiewsox wrote:

You should do whatever gets to mate the quickest.

+1

I've had people surprised when I've started swapping material when I was a pawn up, given that the pawn position was reasonable. I was heading for an endgame; they were complete beginners.

If a promotion lets you win more quickly or more safely (or both), of course, do it!

As for promoting to make a point: I wouldn't. Just win as quickly as possible. Beginners particularly need experience defending; experience defending a lost game is just as valuable as experience defending a game that isn't lost yet. So for resigning in a lost position ... circumstances alter cases. It would certainly be rude not to in a tournament just to tire your opponent. Other situations? Less clear.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

All you can do is pull their king into the mating net:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq28y7W6TGI

Rasparovov

lol!

gledz

The queening of a pawn in a winning position should encourage the opponent to resign. After all, the opponent is playing on in the hope that you make a mistake, which is perhaps nearer to being rude as we all know how devastated we feel when we lose a winning position. However, both of these strategies are acceptable within the rules of a very fair game, so I don't see how it can be considered rude. 

ponz111

queening a pawn or promoting to a knight or a bishop or a rook is not rude.

ThrillerFan

Trying to claim that your opponent is being rude is rude in and of itself.  If your position is that hopeless, it's called resign the game!

R-E-S-I-G-N-S Spells Relief!

It's a little different than say, LeBron James delivering the facial with an in your face slam dunk when Miami is already up by 50.  It's not like the losing team can just pack up and go.  They have to ride it out the entire 48 minutes.

Chess doesn't work that way.  You don't like what you see.  Resign!

When a position should clearly be resigned (I mean "clearly", not "Black's down a pawn, so Black should resign since a 2800 would cream him in this position), I find it rude NOT to resign, and I sometimes will PURPOSELY promote 5 pawns all to Queen, or 5 Rooks, or 5 Bishops, or whatever I feel like doing to rub in the point that he or she needs to resign!