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Qe2+ or Qe7+


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #21

    ClavierCavalier

    When I see this game, I wonder "Why 22. Qh5?"  Well, I also wonder about 8. Ne5, 10 Nd3, 13. Bh3, and other things.  With 22. Qh5, I just wonder "Why not Qxc6?  This looks like one of those games white won for black.

    I always felt it was silly to do waste an active piece to take an equal, inactive piece.  Here is the full game where white played 4. Qe2+, but they also do some weird thing with their bishop and then ignore the queen pin.  I'm interested to see what you think of it.


    It's interesting that I make 4 pawn moves total and they make 10.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #22

    TonyH

    your questions are good ones. White was probably hoping for a nice easy game with few challenges and a quick exchange of queens.

    Ne5 is based on ideas to block the e-file and try to post a piece actively. It also allows the diagonal to be blocked with Nd3. 

    the player was FIDE 2100 so not an idiot tactically. if he doesnt take something like a hanging piece examine the capture and ask,"What is black's response?" Ill give you a hint, the queen is captured. Qh5 is the only safe square.

    from your questions it seems you are looking at the game superficially.  i really liked ...b6 because it instantly creates some strategical and tactical problems for white to solve. Compare the moves in the game of a strong master to yours. If you see a game between strong players assume that the moves are correct  tactically. if you disagree after a serious attempt then ask a stronger player or computer. 

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #23

    ClavierCavalier

    TonyH wrote:

     if you disagree after a serious attempt then ask a stronger player or computer. 

    I thought I did.  I also put it in Fritz, and Qxc6 is the move Fritz made, but black still trashes white.  The queen gets captured 9 moves later.  Any ways, Qh5 obviously wasn't a safe square.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #24

    TonyH

    Dont ask fritz though,.. do it yourself :) 

    right so why Qh5? because it Looks safe and i am pretty sure at that point white was just hoping for a luck mate.  he might have thought g6 Qh6 was gonna be a trap.. .hard to say.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #25

    AndyClifton

    ClavierCavalier wrote:
    9... Qxg5 is better than Rxe2 because it gains a knight and gives check

    10 Qd2

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #26

    TonyH

    I guess in summary Black is doing just fine in these early Qe2+ lines

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #27

    ClavierCavalier

    TonyH wrote:

    I guess in summary Black is doing just fine in these early Qe2+ lines

    That's what I've been trying to find out.  I see it a lot and think it seems to be a waste for white when there are more pieces to develop.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #28

    ClavierCavalier

    AndyClifton wrote:
    ClavierCavalier wrote:
    9... Qxg5 is better than Rxe2 because it gains a knight and gives check

    10 Qd2

    Absolutely right.


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