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21st September 2008, 05:01pm
#1
by Tonysso
Cork Ireland
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 22

Hi. New to chess.com. I have played 4 games in which I have lost my queen through silly mistakes. My question to the wider community is if your opponent has a queen advantage, even with other pieces matching, can victory still be plucked from the wreckage? In 3 of my encounters.... not! Fourth ongoing but now considering the decent thing is to resign in such situations!  Any views out there!

21st September 2008, 05:12pm
#2
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

Yes, it's reasonable to resign if you're a full queen down with no compensation. Our ratings profit more from using that time to recooperate and study tactics.

[Update] In response to later posts, intermediate-level players can convert a queen-up game. I agree, if your opponent is new to chess, under uscf 1200, or much, much worse then playing on makes some sense. I've given beginners queen-odds and won before.

21st September 2008, 05:17pm
#3
by Nane
Dimitrovgrad Bulgaria
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 314

Playing without a queen is a tough job,but according to me there is a chance of winning:

* provide a possition of double check and equal the forces

*trap the queen ,but mostly by using knight and pawns.involving other figures doesnt allow you to use them for any plan

*isolate the queen leading it at any side and position you figures for mating the king that well for not giving the chance to the queen having any moves more than 2 squares.

Sorry for not having the chance to attach some pictures,but i play mostly in other sites and am a newbe in here.Thats why i dont have any PGN-s.

21st September 2008, 05:25pm
#4
by agent_86
Memphis United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 65

I wouldn't resign in most situations just because I lost my queen, unless it's a casual game.  You can still pull off a perpetual check or similar "dirty chess" manuver  and draw :)

21st September 2008, 05:44pm
#5
by dwaxe
Thousand Oaks, California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 1049

Depending on who you're playing. If you're playing someone below 1200, they might make an error and drop their queen or lose a lot of material. If you're a beginner playing other beginners, don't resign--you will almost always have a chance.

21st September 2008, 05:46pm
#6
by poulind
Cazenovia United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 5

I say it depends on your rating. Personal, I would resign but if two player have a 600 rating then you'd still have a chance it win so no need to resign.

21st September 2008, 06:00pm
#7
by xxobot
Brisbane Australia
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 30

It also depends on how heavily they depend on it, and also how heavily you depend on it, but yes, it does make it a hard uphill slog...

21st September 2008, 06:19pm
#8
by rollingpawns
Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 202

Beginner playing against beginner should never resign, there always will be another blunder or stalemate, but it's probably a good idea to resign when beginner plays essentually stronger person. I survived a few times playing online against much weaker opponents without queen.

21st September 2008, 06:29pm
#9
by mowque
PA United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 341

i hate playing against players who quit after a Queen loss, we aren't GMs. I could easily blunder it away. Play on!

21st September 2008, 06:58pm
#10
by onewho_dies
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 480

I view it as a challenge and try at the very least for a draw.

21st September 2008, 07:15pm
#11
by Tonysso
Cork Ireland
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 22

Thanks. While I accept that playing lower ratings may provide hope, (though I probably only a few games away from such myself), waiting for an opponent to slip up tends to take away from my own perceived prowess! (GM in my own mind) In the main I reckon against an evenly matched opponent resign is the way to go.

I accept the challenge of it but after 3 head banging attempts, better to conserve energy and try again.

21st September 2008, 07:24pm
#12
by professorfreedom
Madison, Wisconsin United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 35

Of course everything depends on the position, but I wouldn't resign automatically. There may be a chance to even the score.

The bigger question is why you're losing your queen in the first place. Perhaps you are bringing her out too early.

21st September 2008, 07:28pm
#13
by Basilisk
Florida United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 21

In my most recent game my opponent blundered away their queen early on, though I wasn't up by a huge amount since I lost my knight to a failed sac to pull their king out, and black also had a nice control of the center with their two knights in position.

I ended up blundering away my own queen later on (and a bishop, and a knight...)  so I resigned myself. There's no telling what will happen if someone is playing chess in the early morning before they are fully awake!

21st September 2008, 07:37pm
#14
by trentthechessnut
Picton, NSW Australia
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 424

I think it depends on multiple variables -

1. compensation: Do I have two rooks / Three pieces for the queen? Do I at least have two pieces for the Queen and the initiative?

2. time pressure  - There is no point in playing on a queen down without any material compensation in a Correspondence/Turn based game but if you are playing blitz there is a possibility that your opponent may blunder back the queen.

3.Co ordination of pieces/initiative. 

Sorry to cut my post short guys I gotta get back to work.... will finish later

21st September 2008, 07:42pm
#15
by onosson
Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 728

Sometimes losing the queen can be the key to turning things around in your favour.  As the second-most valuable piece, people often treat the queen as a "second king" and defend it at all costs.  If yours is already gone, you can make some great headway in harassing your opponents' queen, since you don't need to protect yours anymore and, if you're smart, set yourself up for a move on the real target...  My first really decisive victory, I had put my queen in a terrible bind, and sacrificed her for a mere pawn, which in the end gave me the win.

15th August 2009, 05:45pm
#16
by jbgargamel
United States
Member Since: Aug 2009
Member Points: 9

I rely perhaps too much on my queen.  If you're like me then you better use those backdoor knight tricks or really know how to weild two rooks if the queen ever goes down.

 

Knight assassins are the best tool agaisnt the royal family.

15th August 2009, 06:01pm
#17
by fiver
San Francisco United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 59

If you didn't intend to lose your queen you probably have no compensation. You could play on hoping for blunders by your opponent or a win on time, but it would probably serve you better to resign, figure out why you lost the queen, then retry looking to avoid the same mistake.

15th August 2009, 06:02pm
#18
by jdilley
Strathroy Canada
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 145

You should never give up, I just pulled off a fantastic win where I was down a piece.  

Here is a game of mine where I was down a queen and won-

15th August 2009, 06:06pm
#19
by omnipaul
Socorro, NM United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 535

You weren't exactly a queen down in that game, jdilley.  You had a Rook, Bishop, extra pawn, and a very mobile set of passed pawns in compensation.  By move 28 there, I very much prefer Black's position.

15th August 2009, 06:06pm
#20
by NM OmarCayenne
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 12607

You weren't a queen down, jdilley (you had something close to full compensation).

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