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"Benefit" of Studying your losses


  • 13 months ago · Quote · #21

    Dr_Cris_Angel

    Harry, Gunners2004 didn't say studying your mistakes was "bad". He's going deeper and looking at the psychological aspect and (rightly so) suspecting that some players may react negatively. The more I think about this and after looking at some of the very thoughtful replies, I'm beginning to suspect that we get out what we put in. We can learn from EVERY game, not just wins, not just losses.

    Dan Heisman has a saying that I think is worth mentioning here

    Don't be afraid of losing. Be afraid of playing a game and not learning anything.

    I'd also like to thank those who have commented so thoughtfully and given me more insight. That includes every comment here. I see harryz's point as well but I think there may be a misunderstanding

    Thanks for letting me spout off. Just my two cents for whatever it's worth.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #22

    zborg

    If your under USCF 2000, study only your losses.

    Studying your opponents' losses is only for the cognoscenti.  But if you're a "purist," please do it, although it will be of limited practical value.  Your choice.

    Simple enough?

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #23

    waffllemaster

    Yeah, studying mistakes only helps you learn if you were the one who happened to make them.  One of the mysteries of the universe.

    When I was a kid they used to say stuff like knowing history helps people not repeat the mistakes of the past.  Of course today we know this is silly talk as no one alive today was around 500 years ago making any mistakes.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #24

    waffllemaster

    "The only way to win a game of chess is to make no mistakes"  - Booby Fisher

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #25

    tfulk

    I remember when Booby said that.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #26

    Somebodysson

    tfulk wrote:

    I remember when Booby said that.

    is that a typo?

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #27

    K_Brown

    I used to get really mad at blunders and was no doubt going to lose against similar rated opponents. Now though, after getting more creative and knowledgeable, I can turn more and more of them into draws and sometimes even wins. It is actually a fun part of the game for me now when I am so unlucky. Creating a fortress from a losing position is very satisfying. It also can teach you a lot and contributes to your chess imagination. This is just based on my experiences though.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #28

    Soorat92

    Maybe the real answer is not to ever lose then this becomes a mute point

    People may say you can't win every match ... but maybe they don't cheat hard enough - lol

    And yes I know I lose matches before people point that out ... I'm just luring people into a false sense of security! :)

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #29

    Mersaphe

    Soorat92 wrote:

    Maybe the real answer is not to ever lose then this becomes a mute point

    People may say you can't win every match ... but maybe they don't cheat hard enough - lol

    And yes I know I lose matches before people point that out ... I'm just luring people into a false sense of security! :)

    I think you mean moot point Laughing

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #30

    Soorat92

    fine - picky :(

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #31

    josh1001

    very smart statement by booby

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #32

    BTP_Excession

    In 'Think LIke a Grandmaster' Kotov says that you often learn more from your wins. The reason being that if you lose you naturally focus on the reason for the loss and find the mistakes in your play -  the loss encourages you to look for and then correct them.

    But if you win the mistake can lay hidden and overlooked.

    Nowadays you should run an engine over all your games and relfect on what went wrong in them. Very often the games I win have worse errors in than the ones I lost...

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #33

    dacster13

    Gunners2004 wrote:

    Recently I've been advised to study all losses I've suffered either OTB or here on chess.com - the reason being "you learn much more from your losses than your wins".

    Although I appreciate the sentiment, studying nothing but where you messed up would affect a player negatively I would think.

    Does anybody agree?

    Studying your own mistakes is important in order to avoid them, but studying how to win is just as important.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #34

    electricpawn

    maybe the benefit of studying your losses is learning to do your own analysis.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #35

    BTP_Excession

    electricpawn wrote:

    maybe the benefit of studying your losses is learning to do your own analysis.

    At classic time controls you should be doing plenty of that in-game. 

    I can certainly see the benefit of following master games or an online coach's scenarios without the crutch on an engine - so you can try to work it out for yourself - but in a game which you have already extensively analysed OTB  I'm not sure I can see why re-analysing it without an engine is an especially good use of time.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #36

    electricpawn

    Good observations. I guess I would only add the fact that we all have certain tendencies and predilictions that could be modified for the benefit of a beter game.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #37

    josh1001

    i don't think i have ever analysed matches

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #38

    NomadicKnight

    Gunners2004 wrote:

    Recently I've been advised to study all losses I've suffered either OTB or here on chess.com - the reason being "you learn much more from your losses than your wins".

    Although I appreciate the sentiment, studying nothing but where you messed up would affect a player negatively I would think.

    Does anybody agree?

    I have been told the same: That I should record my games and study my losses more intensely than my wins (which sucks, because I gotta study A LOT more since I lose so much haha)... But I agree with the thinking... replaying your lost games (especially if you break out your board and replay move by move) can reveal things you didn't see before, or show you that "ahhh crap, why didn't I play this other move instead" moment.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #39

    GeniusKJ

    You just lost a tempo by asking this question. Now go review your games!


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