Relationship bewteen Chess rating and I.Q?

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3 years ago · Quote · #161
NM OmarCayenne

Who was the best chessplaying president anyway? (goldendog?...batgirl?...anybody...?)
3 years ago · Quote · #162
Conflagration_Planet

Marshats wrote:

Maybe Barrack Obama will be the first Black chess master? Why not he got the Noble Peace Prize! We I doubt it highly. Maybe the title Chess master is a greater honer than recieving a Noble Peace Prize? Chess is pure and not spoiled with the "flavor of the month" like politics and practically everything else is. This is just another benefit the game of chess bestows on all humanity (no matter what race you favor).

There are already black chess masters.
3 years ago · Quote · #163
II-Oliveira

As he didn't say GM, but just "master", I don't even believe it would be possible that no black has ever achieved this.

Look at the large number of IM, NM, GM and FM worldwide. How could no one of them be black? Some countries have almost 100% of black population, don't they have at least National Masters?

That guy must be kidding.
3 years ago · Quote · #164
orangehonda

II-Oliveira wrote:

As he didn't say GM, but just "master", I don't even believe it would be possible that no black has ever achieved this.

Look at the large number of IM, NM, GM and FM worldwide. How could no one of them be black? Some countries have almost 100% of black population, don't they have at least National Masters?

That guy must be kidding.

If Ashley is a GM it stands to reason he'd already broken the NM and FM barrier...
3 years ago · Quote · #165
Atos

gghu wrote:

Hi

It has been reported that Napoleon Bonaparte loved chess but wasn't very good at it. That didn't stop him from being one of the great military strategists of his time and a very intelligent man, he just wasn't good at chess. I think with regard to chess the key factor is logic, not intelligence. Using ones Intelligence may come into it later on in a game when a player needs to be creative and make something happen, up to that point if a player has made the most logical moves (which by definition must be the right ones) then he/she will have put themselves in a position to exploit their opponents weaknesses.

Actually Napoleon was a pretty good player.
3 years ago · Quote · #166
NM OmarCayenne

That's because he had extra pieces tucked away in his coat.
3 years ago · Quote · #167
orangehonda

I think logic does help with chess skill among complete beginners. After a little study though that advantage goes out the window.
3 years ago · Quote · #168
orangehonda

tonydal wrote:

That's because he had extra pieces tucked away in his coat.

Ah yes, it's lesser-known that Napoleon was an amateur magician who focused on slight of hand.
3 years ago · Quote · #169
NM OmarCayenne

Unless Monty Python was right (and it really was a big wedge of cheese in there).
3 years ago · Quote · #170
Conflagration_Planet

http://www.goddesschess.com/chesstories/blackgm.html So much for Obama being the first black chess master.
3 years ago · Quote · #171
Atos

What would you estimate the IQ of Rybka ?
3 years ago · Quote · #172
saipranav

In my opinion,I.Q.,progress in real life,progress in the game of chess are completely different things.

I have read about people with 140 I.Q. who works as a waiter because their E.Q. is damn low.

According to a particular web-site,there has to be a balance between all the quotients,or else we are as good as screwed up.
3 years ago · Quote · #173
NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

completely different can be quantified as "no correlation" which I don't know if that's what you're intending to say.
3 years ago · Quote · #174
dave_9990

Rybka is simply a large set of instructions written by humans. We all know that computers are faster by a factor of millions than human problem solvers in mathematics, however Human Intelligence is more profound than mathematical number crunching - in fact some people are smart and have low IQ, because they take a long time and solve harder problems properly (the human condition vs a machine at math).

Chess is related to IQ but also to combat, its a battle and an opponent moving fast with sharp logical movements can often intimidate (hence not exactly IQ) .

Chess programs aren't perfect, they're still being developed. In the end it boils down to incredible number crunching power that wins, I must admit that a lot of the math is skipped completely by the human visual perceptive system (the ability to comprehend an entire board at once is very helpful)
3 years ago · Quote · #175
KumarAnkur

If a person is intelligent,he will do well in chess,however,its converse according to me,does not seems to be true.It is like that those who have courage,has a sword,but those who have sword might not be courageous. Chess no less analogous to sword here,otherwise everybody will become intelligent.
3 years ago · Quote · #176
rvsakhadeo

wjones4 wrote:

well Mr Wizard...there may be something to the IQ correlation to chess rating. I do not think you could ever prove or disprove the theory though. One can become very good at chess through practice and studies but still have an average IQ where someone with a genius level or higher IQ may not have a strong enough interest in chess to apply themselves(or the time).

I am a strong believer that anyone can learn anything given enough time but

in my experience those with higher IQ's tend to learn faster so that would give

them an advantage.

I feel for the theory to be proved you would have to take into account their

time playing the game and the amount of studying they have done on it.

This is an intersting theory though and I think there is some truth to it.

I might have to make some time to research it some.

Does it mean that a monkey with enough paper and an breakable typewriter plus a lot of time on hand will eventually type out a Shakespeare play ? How does practice help a chess player ? obviously by the mind absorbing the positions and the pitfalls and the standard moves which require Memory,and an Aptitude for logical thinking . Does it not mean that one has to have a better IQ to be better at Chess?
3 years ago · Quote · #177
rvsakhadeo

wjones4 wrote:

well Mr Wizard...there may be something to the IQ correlation to chess rating. I do not think you could ever prove or disprove the theory though. One can become very good at chess through practice and studies but still have an average IQ where someone with a genius level or higher IQ may not have a strong enough interest in chess to apply themselves(or the time).

I am a strong believer that anyone can learn anything given enough time but

in my experience those with higher IQ's tend to learn faster so that would give

them an advantage.

I feel for the theory to be proved you would have to take into account their

time playing the game and the amount of studying they have done on it.

This is an intersting theory though and I think there is some truth to it.

I might have to make some time to research it some.

Does it mean that a monkey with enough paper and an breakable typewriter plus a lot of time on hand will eventually type out a Shakespeare play ? How does practice help a chess player ? obviously by the mind absorbing the positions and the pitfalls and the standard moves which require Memory,and an Aptitude for logical thinking . Does it not mean that one has to have a better IQ to be better at Chess?
3 years ago · Quote · #178
heinzie

I've come up with this estimation including all the relevant factors

your IQ * 64 = your potential chess rating
3 years ago · Quote · #179
saipranav

heinzie wrote:

I've come up with this estimation including all the relevant factors

your IQ * 64 = your potential chess rating

Can someone tell me what a potential chess rating is?

Iam new here

@heinzie:How did you derive that formula?
3 years ago · Quote · #180
tdbostick

heinzie wrote:

I've come up with this estimation including all the relevant factors

your IQ * 64 = your potential chess rating

That'd mean your average Joe should have a 6400 rating.