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Relationship between Chess rating and I.Q?


  • 3 months ago · Quote · #501

    awesomechess1729

    ponz111 wrote:

    awesomechess  I asked for two child prodigy savants. Because a child may be a progidy does not mean he or she is a savant.

    Didn't you just read my previous posts? Read The Immortal Game and the encyclopedia entry I included (which somehow was formatted strangely) - the encyclopedia entry says that savants are not considered prodigies, but there are savants who are very talented in chess.

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #502

    Dunk12

    The problem is that IQ is basically how much easily measurable data do you know, and it assesses problem-solving to some extent.

    But chess is just another animal. There have been uneducated, illiterate chess players who have a natural talent for the game. Mir Sultan Khan did not know how to read or write, and so read no chess theory, but is often called the most naturally talented player of all time. He even beat Capablanca.

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #503

    ponz111

    awesomechess1729 wrote:
    ponz111 wrote:

    awesomechess  I asked for two child prodigy savants. Because a child may be a progidy does not mean he or she is a savant.

    Didn't you just read my previous posts? Read The Immortal Game and the encyclopedia entry I included (which somehow was formatted strangely) - the encyclopedia entry says that savants are not considered prodigies, but there are savants who are very talented in chess.

    There are savants who are very good in chess but "very good in chess" does not equate to prodigies is all I am saying. "talented in chess" also does not mean "prodigies"

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #504

    nameno1had

    I have a relationship with chess ratings and IQ...it is a crazy love triangle

  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #505

    idkwtfhell

    Hi,

    Chess rating and IQ should be correlated, but the relationship is unlikely to be one-to-one.  This is the same reason that one person can get quite different scores on two IQ tests:  all tests use a different metric. Some include verbal components, some include mathematical components, some include deductive logic, some only include pattern recognition. 

    Being good at chess doesn't necessarily mean you have intellectual skills that would give you a strong vocabulary, for example.  Yet it is undeniable that verbal ability, on its own, is important.  Yes, some IQ tests only offer logic and pattern problems, and they might correlate more highly with chess ratings than traditional IQ tests.  Still, this neglects other facets of intellectual ability that are to some degree measurable, and are still important. 

    Even two logic tests that are different could, theoretically, lead to different scores if a particular skill is required for one that is not required for the other.  So, there's no reason to believe that chess rating is a strong indication of IQ.  This is the same reason that IQ is kind of a crappy meausre to begin with. 

    Also, modern perspectives on intelligence suggest that working memory is the primary driver of most intelligence.  How much information can you hold in your head, without getting distracted?  This would indeed correlate with IQ and chess rating, but only to an extent.  Once information had been crystalized, and you have long term memory for a strategy, the measure becomes bogus.  Then it's about how much practice you've had than how you can intellectually perform in the moment.  For that reason, I think especially when it comes to high chess ratings and high IQ's the differences are more experience- than ability-based.


    A genius who never reads a book is still a genius.  He's just gonna be bad at reading. 

  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #506

    blueemu

    The relationship between Chess and IQ:

    Truly clever people don't waste their time on board-games.

  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #507

    rdecredico

    blueemu wrote:

    The relationship between Chess and IQ:

    Truly clever people don't waste their time on board-games.

    +1

  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #508

    Yereslov

    blueemu wrote:

    The relationship between Chess and IQ:

    Truly clever people don't waste their time on board-games.

    How is math any different? Outside of basic geometry and arithemetic, most math is only a concern for the mathemetician. 

     By every definition chess players are truly clever.

    clev·er
    ˈklevər/
    adjective
     
    1. quick to understand, learn, and devise or apply ideas; intelligent.
      "a clever and studious young woman"
      synonyms: intelligentbrightsmartastutesharpquick-wittedshrewdMore
       
       
       
       
         
  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #509

    sapientdust

    Yereslov wrote:
    blueemu wrote:

    The relationship between Chess and IQ:

    Truly clever people don't waste their time on board-games.

    How is math any different? Outside of basic geometry and arithemetic, most math is only a concern for the mathemetician. 

    Mathematics is baked into the nature of reality. It describes everything about how the universe changes over time from the largest scale to the smallest. Chess not so much, fun though it may be. That's one difference.

  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #510

    awesomechess1729

    sapientdust wrote:
    Yereslov wrote:
    blueemu wrote:

    The relationship between Chess and IQ:

    Truly clever people don't waste their time on board-games.

    How is math any different? Outside of basic geometry and arithemetic, most math is only a concern for the mathemetician. 

    Mathematics is baked into the nature of reality. It describes everything about how the universe changes over time from the largest scale to the smallest. Chess not so much, fun though it may be. That's one difference.

    According to the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis (MUH), mathematics might not just describe reality, it might be reality. 

  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #511

    AlCzervik

    Math rules.

  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #512

    awesomechess1729

    AlCzervik wrote:

    Math rules.

    Agreed.

  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #513

    medspex

    AlCzervik írta:

    Math rules.

    AND SO THERES THE WINNER!!!

  • 5 weeks ago · Quote · #514

    zborg

    Nah.  There's a parallell multiverse.  Deal with it.

    http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chess-and-iq-intelligence?page=32


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