New scenario:
You are playing a turn based game (like chess.com) with a strong opponent. After a series of unfortunate errors, your opponent points out a forced mate in 6 moves, and asks you to resign. You know that your opponent sees this forced checkmate correctly. Do you think:
a) Your opponent is being unsporstmanlike
b) You ought to resign
If you believe a, I'd really like to know why.
how about c) play it out because a mate in 6 is cool! :)
i actually think asking someone to resign is ALWAYS in poor taste. i think saying MATE in 6 is fine, but to ask to resign is not appropriate in my humble opinion.
Resigning when it's lost is polite, but not resigning should not been seen as "impolite". Resigning is being polite, but ASKING for a politeness is rude. That's my opinion on the matter.
So I think a) and b) are both good answers, however a) is the opponent being rude and b) is you not being polite.
Right, but that's precisely my question. Upon what does a player base this judgement?
I have the sinking feeling that very few have thought this through before they say "it's always bad."
I think it's fine to say Mate in 6. But to say, resign, it's mate and six and you've lost, or something like that, there's no way in hell I'd resign.
As eric said, I'd rather just play it out. I think the player has every right to play out a losing (mate in X) combo, just because the game only ends at stalemate/draw/flags drop/CHECKMATE/resignation. Once, I told my opponent mate in 2, and then he found a way out. Never again will I say, "Mate in ____". As for asking them to resign, it's kind of classless. They will resign if they see it fit, and you're going to win after mate in X anyways. Not to mention that if you've actually seen a mate in 6 or whatever, I hope you'd write it down or something, so it would take you all of 2-3 minutes to play out.
If you can't spare 2-3 minutes of your time...
perhaps chess isn't the game for you.
for a) to be unsportsmanlike, one has to really rub it in
Well now, there's a stunning non-sequitor. Question the majority's opinion and they tell you where to stick it. Sprite, keep in mind that I haven't suggested that "chess is not the game" for people who don't share my belief... and just because your belief is shared by a majority does not make it more likely to be true.
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What I think is more interesting was expressed by Etienne with the phrase: Resigning when it's lost is polite, but not resigning should not been seen as "impolite".
This would suggest that the ethics of when to resign do not conform to rules of logical inference.
Normally...
if p then q
therefore
if -p then -q...
Well my point is that not resigning would not be polite but wouldn't be impolite.
Well not being polite doesn't mean being impolite. Let's call neutral behavior x andthe politeness factor y, being polite is x+y, not being polite is x and being impolite is x-y
I think it's perfectly acceptable to announce a forced mate in six if that's what you want to do, but you have no right to tell your opponent what they should do about it.
Wow! I see some formulas here, I think were talking about resignation, right, actually it is generally considered proper chess etiquette to resign clearly lost positions. The proper time to resign should vary with one’s chess ability.
Most beginners should probably play on until they are checkmated. But more advanced players should resign clearly lost positions when they are certain that if they were on the other side of the position, they could beat even a master.
It is rude and unsportsmanlike to abandon a lost position without resigning so as to allow the clock or time left to run out.
Here's a way to think about it:
maybe in some reason players were not allowed to resign, or the players nature is never to give up.
IMHO, asking someone to resign is ALWAYS in poor taste, even if the other person is knowingly playing out a lost position. (If this is the case, just relax and take the high road.)
In the example above, most players cannot even see a Mate in 6, so telling somebody to resign is just plain arrogant.
Perhaps you should put his quote into context. Here's what he said:
"Not to mention that if you've actually seen a mate in 6 or whatever, I hope you'd write it down or something, so it would take you all of 2-3 minutes to play out. If you can't spare 2-3 minutes of your time...perhaps chess isn't the game for you."
I think it is impolite both to show your opponent that he is facing a mate in 6 as well as to ask him to resign (or do anything for that matter). What your opponent wants to do is entirely his business and your business is to just play, exchange pleasantries and that's it. Nothing more. Turn based chess can remain an entertaining pursuit when most of us follow some etiquette.
Don't try to get back at them. That only reflect on your charater. Don't lower your charater bases off others low behaviors.
Off of his chess knowlegde. lets turn the table around. Do you think a very stronge player would be insultant if you suggest them to resign after you point out mate in 6 or I am up 6 in the force count. It's bragging
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