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Rook immune to Capture?


  • 9 months ago · Quote · #1

    InexorablePawn

    This has most likely already been discussed, but can anyone help me understand a situation from a classic game (Steinitz v. Von Bardeleben). During the game the black King is checked by a Rook (Rook that Castled earlier) around move 23 of the game. I've read that it is some form of etiquette that this particular rook was immune to capture. I am pretty sure that by capturing this rook, black would have been mated in 3 moves anyway, but just hadn't heard of an immune rook before. Does anyone know why or when this originated?

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #2

    neo-metacrash

    Can you show us the game?
     

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #3

    Scottrf

    Immune from capture because black is mated if he captures the piece. Etiquette has nothing to do with it.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #4

    neo-metacrash

    Scottrf wrote:

    Immune from capture because black is mated if he captures the piece. Etiquette has nothing to do with it.

    It's still not immune to capture. You can legally capture it but will get checkmeted as a result.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #5

    Scottrf

    Well, yeah, but that's what's meant by the term in chess. It's not literally immune...

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #6

    InexorablePawn

    Here one second and I'll show you, but he is not immediately mated if he captures it. 

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #7

    Scottrf

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #8

    InexorablePawn

    1895 Hastings tournament Steinitz v Von Bardeleben. Sorry couldn't post the move by move, but he could have taken the rook with his queen easily...

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #9

    Scottrf

    If he takes the rook with his queen white has 26. Rxc8+ Rxc8 27. Qxc8+ and white is up a knight. That's if there's nothing better.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #10

    InexorablePawn

    Great article on the game, but I am still at a loss as to why he wasnt able to take the rook with his queen?

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #11

    neo-metacrash

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #12

    Scottrf

    As above, he's a knight down and easily losing.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #13

    InexorablePawn

    Move 22?

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #14

    Scottrf

    The same pattern.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #15

    InexorablePawn

    Thanks Scottrf and neo-metacrash, by the way where did you find that cool game analysis link?

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #16

    InexorablePawn

    Nvm i see it. Thanks

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #17

    nyLsel

    White is winning here.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #18

    paulgottlieb

    It's really a terrific game, isn't it? Steinitz ha recently lost the World Championship to Lasker and was entering the decline phase of his great career, but the old lion could still bite!

    BTW: Von Bardeleben was a talented player who suffered from nerves and general emotional stability problems. He eventually comitted suicide by jumping out of a window. Vladimir Nabokov knew Von Bardeleben in Berlin in the 1920's and loosely based the character of Luhzin is his famous novel "The Defense" on Von Bardeleben

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #19

    Doggy_Style

    Post #11's statement that Black resigned and Steinitz immediately demonstrated the win, I believe to be incorrect.

    I'm pretty sure this is the game that Von Bardeleben left the tournament hall (in a state of considerable agitation), clock still running, once he'd figured out his demise. After VB's time expired, Steinitz demonstrated the win, for the crowd.


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