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18th August 2008, 12:29pm
#1
by Olorin
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 39

Hi I am in my first game on chess.com and I have a query. Can a pinned piece give check? The analysis board won't allow my opponents king to take my queen when i move it adjacent to it as my knight is covering the square i am moving my queen to. BUT my knight is absolutely pinned by my opponents rook. I would have thought that the king could take my queen as my knight can't leave my king exposed to check.

Can anyone advise?

18th August 2008, 12:35pm
#2
by eternal21
New Jersey Poland
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 399

Yes - a pinned piece can give check. 

18th August 2008, 12:40pm
#3
by peldan
Stockholm Sweden
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 186

Your king dies first. That's all that counts in chess

18th August 2008, 12:42pm
#4
by Olorin
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 39

Thanks very much! Feels like cheating tho Embarassed

18th August 2008, 12:47pm
#5
by Olorin
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 39

or maybe it's not! got two different answers there! are you both 100% sure? :0)

18th August 2008, 12:53pm
#6
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

Its behavior sounds correct. For example, in this position 1.Qf7# is mate even though the queen is supported by knight which is absolutely pinned by the rook.

18th August 2008, 12:56pm
#7
by Olorin
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 39

Thanks again. I never knew that - seems odd though, sort of chicken and egg situation.

18th August 2008, 12:58pm
#8
by jdthompson
United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 316

If I understand your question correctly, the king cannot take the queen because it would be walking into check. It is irrelevant that the knight is pinned and cannot act upon it.

 

In this diagram, the black king cannot stroll over to e8. Even though the white queen couldn't take the black king because it is pinned by the black rook...the black king would still be walking into check.

18th August 2008, 01:03pm
#9
by Jambux_Josh
Garden Grove, Ca United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 170

from what i understand, yes i pinned piece is pinned however, the king must not be in check and may not enter into check for any reason. it is that simple

18th August 2008, 01:09pm
#10
by Olorin
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 39

That's exactly the situation. My problem now is do I make the move that I only knew about because of the my use of the analysis board i.e. not a true reflection of my chess ability or do I make the move that is OK but nowhere near as effective and be able to look at myself in the mirror? Sigh.

18th August 2008, 01:16pm
#11
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

I would make the best move I could... using an analysis board is allowed although outside help is not! But if making some other move makes you feel better about youself... well, that's much more important than winning a game of chess. :)

18th August 2008, 02:32pm
#12
by Olorin
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 39

I made the move I knew about. I'm probably not going to get very far victory-wise :0)

18th August 2008, 02:46pm
#13
by alison27
United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 56

the analysis board is there to use..why would you feel bad about using it?

18th August 2008, 03:07pm
#14
by Olorin
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 39

I guess it's because if I'd met the other player face to face on a real board it would never have crossed my mind to play that move because i didn't know it was legal. It was only because i was messing around with the analysis board and happened to try and take my queen with his king that i discovered that it couldn't be done. misplace sense of honour perhaps? 

18th August 2008, 03:20pm
#15
by jhuschstp
St. Paul United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 234

ah man it's fine you shoulda done it

20th August 2008, 10:55am
#16
by orca11
Texas United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 5

Hey all, I'm the "other player" in this scenario.  Just thought you would want to know that:

  1. Olorin did not play the move because he felt it was unfair to receive help in the middile of the game (although i certainly wouldn't have minded, and would have been happy to help him out in a face-to-face game).  This speaks highly of his character in my mind.
  2. He won!  We both made a couple of blunders, but in the end Olorin played the better game.

Congratualtions, Olorin!

 

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