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Sad case of high school chess cheating


  • 7 months ago · Quote · #261

    eastside93

    From firebrandx (quote feature not working);

    "Like Waffle said, the progam can be coded to just analyze each move as you enter, then flash a coded signal like a series of dots that only the operator knows to look for and decipher in their head.

    Also, did Ivanov have a better and more profitable way to use his talents than cheating in chess? Think about it."

     

    Again, find someone who can do that for whom the time, effort and reward are worth it.  Just one person will do.

     

    As for Ivanov, you need to catch up to the conversation on him.  He's long since been found out.  Also, you have to wonder just how many millions of Euros he cleared with his brilliant scheme (since he can barely even play anywhere, and gets searched in every event that will still accept him, even in his home country).  

    BTW, note that a player of even Ivanov's strength (his 2200+ ELO appears legit based on his previous results and games) isn't strong enough to use a computer effectively at the top level.  He uses it too much, and it's easier to catch him that way.

    Maxim Dlugy has commented extensively on this at ChessBase.  You and the rest of the paranoids here should read it. :-)  Basically, he says that the real danger to GMs in OTB events is a legit 2600 type using computer help - because he'd only need it a few times a game.   This has been the consensus for some time now.  A lot of people worry about lower-level cheating in large events.  It would be very difficult for someone under 2200 to use an engine for most of a nine-round event and not get caught, especially if he's under suspicion.  And nowadays, at large events, anyone with an 80% score after a few rounds is already well under suspicion.


    Does all this mean that cheating can't happen?  Of course not.  What I'm saying is that (1) you can't stop someone from *trying* to cheat, (2) it's not really worth it in most cases to cheat at chess, and (3) in the events where it is worth it, TDs watch for it.  But, short of having off-duty police at the door to a major event, checking people for electronic devices, you can only do so much.  (The US Championships have, in fact, had St. Louis police officers checking spectators entering the playing hall and players for the last few years.  But that's only <40 players.)  

     

    Electronic scoresheets just aren't the biggest cheating threat.  Players with hidden electronic devices are a far bigger risk (which is the category that Ivanov, Allwermann, etc. fall into).

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #262

    FirebrandX

    tldr

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #263

    BulletMatetricks

    Yeah

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #264

    ChefRamsay

    I beat him when he was like a 900

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #265

    7thSense

    Wow.

  • 12 days ago · Quote · #266

    rusconi

    So, in the end, did they ban this delinquent or is he still around cheating, maybe in states where nobody knows him?

  • 12 days ago · Quote · #267

    Conflagration_Planet

    Good question.

  • 12 days ago · Quote · #268

    DrSpudnik

    The USCF's web site shows the last event being the Virginia Scholastic & Collegiate Championship of 2012. His membership is lapsed.

  • 11 days ago · Quote · #269

    Conflagration_Planet

    Hmmmmmmmmmm.


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