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I don't know much about computers, but people who are computer savvy have said it is quite easy to rig a monroi device, have it give its recommendation and if there's a TD around, to revert back to its regular mode without anyone being the wiser, including the opponent.
Why introduce this into the tournament hall at all? The complaint that some 8 yr old kid can't write his moves and therefore needs an engine to write for him just doesn't make sense to me. My 8 yr old students learn to write the moves. It's not hard to teach them that much.
And even if there aren't many who are savvy enough (I know a few :p) when you start talking about big money prizes it can bring out the worst in people. They'll cheat even if it's difficult. Even if they don't know how to play chess. And it only takes 1 to ruin the competition for the others. As you're saying here it makes no sense to tempt people by making it easier. We should be making it harder.
The best way to catch a patzer cheating OTB, is ask the player about what you should have done in the critical stage, around the time you blundered, or just ask him about what you do after the obviously bad capture at multiple stages.
SMH at people that dont even talk to their opponents when they lose. You'd be surprised how welcome and happy your opponent is when you lose
Anyway I've thought this is a pretty good way to detect blatant cheaters. Say they won the U2000 section, so get a few experts together and have the suspect present their best game to the experts, explaining each move. Like you said it will be painfully obvious if they're just some non-player who cheated.
Too bad because of possible bias, this wont be adopted. But I'd like to hear Ivanov explain a few of his gems to some GMs... lol.
Yeah definitely. This is why i like the chicago class championships...no playing up into the higher sections (only play one section up), without cheating being ridiculously obvious.
I remember using a question to catch someone lying about being a master chess player in an online playing room (where he was blatantly cheating with computer help). I asked him, "if you're really that good, then can you tell me the moves to reach a Panov-Botvinnik attack?" Any average club player knows this, yet this supposed master had no clue. He ended up replying with "I don't study that opening".
As a teacher I am working with students continuously on making the right choices and have had to deal with cheating issues far too frequently. I think that the penalties should be harsh and it is fine to make an example of him within reason...
That said, I think that posting a giant picture of a minor for the world to see is going a bit too far. I assume many will disagree with me.
would be funny if both had cheated and the non cheater, just pulled a clever trick and didnt cheat in the last game and let some other guy watch his opponent to get him.
Sorry to play the "I told u so game".Since the days of Blue vs. G.M.s tech. chess has been on on a slippery slope that does not end well for chess.I don't have an answer.People will do strange things in the name of money and winning.....kind of sad that this may result in pure chess being a thing of the past.
The problem with cheat is that the organization can't control if a player go to bathroom in critical moments of the game and use the smartphone with stockfish, critter or another strong chess engyne for phones.
And the other reverse of the coin is when you, a ethic man go a day frequently to bahtroom because are nervious or ill and the other look you bad thinking: he is cheat or he isn't cheat?
This is a very serious problem and the solutions are hard. Don't allow phones is complicated because if you travel in other city for play, you need the phone.
(sorry for my english)
i think the problem is lies not in chess but in the zeitgeist and the fast living of our modern day society. I mean no1 has anything to lose anymore no one will be stigmatized in real life as a liar and cheater, so there isnt any real cost involved.
Solution: You have to give your electronic devices to the arbiter/TD, and get it back after the game. No devices allowed in your pocket or anywhere near you during the game.
But anyway, allowing the use of an electronic device to record games just makes it easier to cheat. Even if it is just to manually analyse a line on a 2d-board it is cheating.
"Solution: You have to give your electronic devices to the arbiter/TD, and get it back after the game. No devices allowed in your pocket or anywhere near you during the game."
The problem for this solution is that the organization faces the custody of many expensives devices. This increase the responsability, and the problems: missing devices, thefts, accidents, misdeliveries etc. Who will paid for this?
Anyway a cheater can carry in secret the smartphone in her pockets or in her clothing, and go to the bathroom and use them.
To be fair, I had no idea what opening that was (by name) either until looking it up right now and I even used to play it. I'll admit though that this used to occur often; I didn't know what the KID was (although I still cannot tell you the main line or any variation by name) or even openings like the Pirc or Modern even when I made NM.
More important to actually know the lines played OTB compared to remembering the name of some variation that you may or may not play. The club player has a point here, IMO.
a virtual lynching is not what is called for, they need to learn their lesson and try to live better lives.
that picture needs to be taken down! it would be different if he was an adult.
i don't think his parents authorised the use of his picture to be used in any way...i think it is illegal to use it....since he is a minor...
he is only 16?? would you have said that if he killed somebody?? i think with 16 you know what you are doing and shoul hold accountable otherwise society will end like in the movie 187
"i think with 16 you know what you are doing and shoul hold accountable otherwise society will end like in the movie 187"
A low year may be a mitigating but not a Free pass to the cheats.
By the way the TD needs a copy of the game... do you copy the moves afterwards and turn in a score sheet?
This is the only cool thing about the monroi--as far as I'm concerned--you can just email the TD the pgn. I've had a couple of opponents email me our games they recorded on the monroi. So much easier to show off my losses here than entering the game by hand!
You are indeed unique if that's the case. By the time I won my first OTB open trophy, I could name off any major variant of both e4 and d4 openings. Then again, I started playing chess with an FM that specialized in a wide selection of opening theory, so maybe my situation is more biased than normal. The man had several thousand chess books on the subject.
If you really want to "test" someone, ask them what pieces are involved in the Lucena position, and what is the correct result with best play. That will weed out most players below 1200 strength in one go.
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