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Saying/Calling check


  • 24 months ago · Quote · #1

    ArnesonStidgeley

    The most recent thread on this that I found was five years old so...

    ...seriously, I must have missed the part when saying check went out of favour - or perhaps I just missed that part of my chess education. I fully recognise that it is not done in professional chess and - so people say - not in tournaments or club chess.

    In my teens  - in the 70s - I played competitive chess (tournaments and matches) and reached BCF 164 (1940 Elo) and I always said "check" - not in an aggressive gamemanship way, just that I thought it was (literally) conventional. No-one ever complained and most of my opponents - but not all - also said "check".

    I played some competitive chess again late 80s and early 90s and my experience was again the same - ie, I did it; some others did; no-one complained.

    I now coach chess and tell my students to say, "check" - not as a "you have to" rule but in a "this is what you do" way. Am I  - inadvertently - training my students to annoy their opponents? Perhaps I am.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #2

    ThrillerFan

    Yes you are!

    It's a distraction more than anything else.  Especially in time trouble when you are checking every move, it's extremely distracting.  I actually TELL (yes, TELL, NOT ASK) my opponents to cease immediately.  If they don't stop, I start slamming pieces on my moves to get the point across to them.

    It is the responsibility of the player in check to recognize that they are in check.  By the time you get to my level, almost 2100, even with a low tone, you are going to get a lot of "No Sh*t Sherlock" type responses by the 2nd or 3rd time you say "check".

    If the player in check doesn't get out of check, then it depends on the type of tournament you are in:

    Blitz - Player can capture the King

    Quick or Standard - Player states that you made an illegal move, reports it to the TD, and the TD adds 2 minutes to the non-offending side's clock.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #3

    bobbyDK

    in all tournaments I have participated in we don't say check anymore.

    but in the first tournament one got angry because I did not say check and he moved a piece that resulted him in losing his queen cause he had to use it to prevent the check.
    so he lot up the rule book and even got in to discussion with the TD who is rated 2000.
    before the tournament everyone told me it was most polite not to say check so I said nothing. which the TD also told the angry person.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #4

    LCT10

    Is this part really true?: Blitz - Player can capture the King

    Quick or Standard - Player states that you made an illegal move, reports it to the TD, and the TD adds 2 minutes to the non-offending side's clock.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #5

    bobbyDK

    ThrillerFan stem

    Yes you are!

    It's a distraction more than anything else.  Especially in time trouble when you are checking every move, it's extremely distracting.  I actually TELL (yes, TELL, NOT ASK) my opponents to cease immediately.  If they don't stop, I start slamming pieces on my moves to get the point across to them.

    It is the responsibility of the player in check to recognize that they are in check.  By the time you get to my level, almost 2100, even with a low tone, you are going to get a lot of "No Sh*t Sherlock" type responses by the 2nd or 3rd time you say "check".

    If the player in check doesn't get out of check, then it depends on the type of tournament you are in:

    Blitz - Player can capture the King

    Quick or Standard - Player states that you made an illegal move, reports it to the TD, and the TD adds 2 minutes to the non-offending side's clock.

    The rule is used many places in clublevel because it is fun however the rule is that it is illegal to be in check and move something else and therefore you lose the game.

    there is no official otb blitz rating so people do what they want.
    but I was told by someone who read the rules that capturing the king is wrong.
    in the club I used to play we also play with taking the king if he overlook check.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #6

    bobbyDK

    LCT10 stem

    Is this part really true?: Blitz - Player can capture the King

    Quick or Standard - Player states that you made an illegal move, reports it to the TD, and the TD adds 2 minutes to the non-offending side's clock.

    not in quick there is no 2 minutes if you make an illegal move your opponent can claim a win.

    FIDES law of chess §b3

    An illegal move is completed once the opponent’s clock has been started. The opponent is entitled to claim a win before he has made his own move. However, if the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves, then the claimant is entitled to claim a draw before he has made his own move. Once the opponent has made his own move, an illegal move cannot be corrected unless mutually agreed without intervention of an arbiter.

     

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #7

    LCT10

    Which article of the FIDE Laws of Chess is that in, i can't find it?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #8

    bobbyDK

    http://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf
    it is in the book...p17 p18

    also I think
    annoucing check is not directly forbidden however you may say it is unnessesary noise in the playing room. p14.

    12.6 It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw or the introduction of a source of noise into the playing area.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #9

    Estragon

    Irrespective of the "courtesy" debate on saying "check," it clearly could disturb players at nearby games and should never be said in OTB competition.

    The practice of capturing the King in blitz was ended over a decade ago, now it is forbidden.  You must claim the illegal move instead.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #10

    ArnesonStidgeley

    Estragon wrote:

    Irrespective of the "courtesy" debate on saying "check," it clearly could disturb players at nearby games and should never be said in OTB competition.

    a helpful point, Estragon - thanks.


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