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Sherlock Holmes


  • 18 months ago · Quote · #1

    Treskpraxis

    People are probably aware that the character Sherlock Holmes had an interest in chess; as seen in the recent film, 'A Game of Shadows'.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvoOBbChxb4

    The 'actual' chess game; between Holmes & Moriarty; comes from the story, 'The Final Problem'. It was annotated in the book.  This youtube clip, is a commentary on this game.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaNeaIadOUU

    What are your favourite chess moments: from literature, film, T.V, or the visual arts?

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #2

    Stampnl

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #3

    Treskpraxis

    Stampnl

    Good clip - but how does this relate to chess ? Apart from the obvious Seven Seals parody?

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #4

    NimzoRoy

    Holmes NEVER played a game of chess in "the canon" which consists of the 4 novels and 56 short stories written about him by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (or Dr Watson, depending on how seriously you take this stuff). Nor does he (or Dr Watson) ever speak about being a chessplayer himself.

    There is no game of chess in "The Final Problem" or anyplace else in the canon. One of the very rare references to the game is his famous remark ‘Amberley excelled at chess – one mark, Watson, of a scheming mind’ which appeared in ‘The Adventure of the Retired Colourman’ in The Case Book of Sherlock Holmes 

    SOURCE: The Annotated Sherlock Holmes vol 1-2, by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, edited by Wm S Baring-Gould, 1967.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #5

    DrFrank124c

    Didn't "Hound of the Baskervilles" involve a chess problem?  Its been a long time since I read it, or saw the move, but I believe it does. 

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #6

    Crazychessplaya

    No it doesn't.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #7

    TetsuoShima

    NimzoRoy wrote:

    Holmes NEVER played a game of chess in "the canon" which consists of the 4 novels and 56 short stories written about him by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (or Dr Watson, depending on how seriously you take this stuff). Nor does he (or Dr Watson) ever speak about being a chessplayer himself.

    There is no game of chess in "The Final Problem" or anyplace else in the canon. One of the very rare references to the game is his famous remark ‘Amberley excelled at chess – one mark, Watson, of a scheming mind’ which appeared in ‘The Adventure of the Retired Colourman’ in The Case Book of Sherlock Holmes 

    SOURCE: The Annotated Sherlock Holmes vol 1-2, by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, edited by Wm S Baring-Gould, 1967.

    how did you find that out? well i agree to the scheming mind though, that arthur conan doyle was a very smart man i believe. Or does it say exactly that in the book??

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #8

    NimzoRoy

    how did you find that out? well i agree to the scheming mind though, that arthur conan doyle was a very smart man i believe. Or does it say exactly that in the book??  TetsuoShima

    I recalled the (very famous) quote about "...chess - the mark of a scheming mind" but had to look it up to get it right as well as the source - my memory isn't that good! I just typed "Sherlock Holmes chess quotes" into a SE and yes, the quote is exactly as copied here.

    BTW there is nothing in "The Canon" about SH playing cards, draughts, or any other game whatsoever, although he does say "The game is afoot" occasionally - referring to something important happening in his current case.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #9

    Estragon

    NimzoRoy is quite correct, of course.

    Not that the movies bear any real resemblance to the literature anyway. Like many modern movies, the popular fictional characters are merely used to build an action movie around with no regard to the actual background.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #10

    Frankovich73

    In the modern movie (A Game of Shadows), there is also a part where they play blindfold.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #11

    NimzoRoy

    Franken_Berry wrote:

    I like the scene in that Bond flick, Spassky later used a similar pattern to defeat Bronstein.

    The Bond Flick "From Russia With Love" used the Spassky game, not the other way around

    http://www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/boris-amp-bronstein-duke-it-out?_domain=old_blog_host&_parent=old_frontend_blog_view

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #12

    NimzoRoy

    Franken_Berry wrote:

    Sorry, you're wrong. (SIC) Spassky himself admitted it. I'll see if I can find the link...

    The game was played in 1960. The movie came out in 1963. You can verify the dates at my blog for the game and www.imdb.com for the movie. 

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #13

    linuxblue1

    In the 19th century chess was often used against you in a court case. Lawyers held chess against you as being a scheming, devious activity that showed the same traits.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #14

    warrior689

    the demonata series(book) involves chess a bit in the first book.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #15

    Treskpraxis

    All very intesting. Although some of you seem to subscribe to the Frasier Crane school of discourse. :-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv6bzeoS_dk

    I merely put the Holmes v Moiarty game up as I thought it was interesting in itself as a game & illustrative of the wider thread I was hoping this would become.

    ''What are your favourite chess moments: from literature, film, T.V, or the visual arts?''

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #16

    corrijean

    There is a chess scene in The Thomas Crown Affair (1968). Steve McQueen vs. Faye Dunaway.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063688/

  • 8 weeks ago · Quote · #17

    Allegretta

    Has anyone seen the Mystery (on PBS) recently aired on television, at least in the US, called "The Big Four" , a Hercule Poirot episode? It has a Russian

    chess player who dies while playing Ruy Lopez!  (I'll not give any more

    away). i think most chess players would have something to say about

    this scene!

      There is also a strange novel, by Arturo Perez-Reverte, originally in

    Spanish, called The Flanders Panel (a painting depicting a chess game),

    also made into a film, which is kinda weird, but not to be dismissed.

  • 8 weeks ago · Quote · #18

    colinsaul

    When the Red Queen in Wonderland screams 'Off with her head.' Her being Alice.

  • 8 weeks ago · Quote · #19

    sheerluckhomes

    Treskpraxis wrote:

    All very intesting. Although some of you seem to subscribe to the Frasier Crane school of discourse. :-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv6bzeoS_dk

    I merely put the Holmes v Moiarty game up as I thought it was interesting in itself as a game & illustrative of the wider thread I was hoping this would become.

    ''What are your favourite chess moments: from literature, film, T.V, or the visual arts?''

    Marcel Duchamp is an interesting read...


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