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6th February 2008, 02:12pm
#1
by LEE2000
Deep Run, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 51

What are some obvious mistakes that you look for in your opponents game before you determine that you are much better than they are? 

6th February 2008, 02:26pm
#2
by Unbeliever
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 1083
If my opponent falls for simple forks, is fooled by simple traps, and does not follow the basic rules of development, I usually conclude that I am a better player than them.
6th February 2008, 02:36pm
#3
by LEE2000
Deep Run, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 51
Can you give an example or two?
6th February 2008, 02:43pm
#4
by itaibn
Toronto, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 356
Unbeliever wrote: If my opponent falls for simple forks, is fooled by simple traps, and does not follow the basic rules of development, I usually conclude that I am a better player than them.

Don't forget "falls for and misses simple mates.


6th February 2008, 06:11pm
#5
by erikido23
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 237
LEE2000 wrote:

What are some obvious mistakes that you look for in your opponents game before you determine that you are much better than they are? 


I am not sure what the purpose of this question is.  Play the damn game. 


6th February 2008, 09:32pm
#6
by LEE2000
Deep Run, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 51
The purpose of the question should be obvious.  A better answer would have been, "Dude, buy a book or something."  Your point is correct, just "play the damn game", I could not agree more.  But after 27 years it has to be time to buy a book.  Just getting used to the sight and wanted to make some conversation.   Thanks,  lee
7th February 2008, 05:07am
#7
by Checkers4Me
Cincinnati United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 298

I think the Unbeliever sums it up pretty good. I normally determine if I better if I can use a fork to get the queen early in the game or if I can get a simple checkmate (the only kind of checkmate I can do).

 


7th February 2008, 05:12am
#8
by oginschile
Salt Lake City, UT United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 932
I always assume that I am the better player, unless I am not. If I am not the better player then I switch my assumption to me not being the better player assuming of course that the other player is the better player. If my opponent is indeed better than his opponent his assumption would be that he is the better player, but just because my opponent opines that he is the better player does not mean that will be my assumption as well. It could be that he believes he is the better player while at the same time I believe that I am the better player. I will continue to believe in this manner until my opponent has proven over the board that he is the better player, at which time I will believe that he is the better player.
7th February 2008, 05:20am
#9
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2073
oginschile wrote: I always assume that I am the better player, unless I am not. If I am not the better player then I switch my assumption to me not being the better player assuming of course that the other player is the better player. If my opponent is indeed better than his opponent his assumption would be that he is the better player, but just because my opponent opines that he is the better player does not mean that will be my assumption as well. It could be that he believes he is the better player while at the same time I believe that I am the better player. I will continue to believe in this manner until my opponent has proven over the board that he is the better player, at which time I will believe that he is the better player.

Well said.  I couldn't have put it more concisely.Wink


7th February 2008, 05:29am
#10
by oginschile
Salt Lake City, UT United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 932
brevity is my middle name! Tongue out
7th February 2008, 08:09am
#11
by erikido23
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 237
LEE2000 wrote: The purpose of the question should be obvious.  A better answer would have been, "Dude, buy a book or something."  Your point is correct, just "play the damn game", I could not agree more.  But after 27 years it has to be time to buy a book.  Just getting used to the sight and wanted to make some conversation.   Thanks,  lee

Welcome to the SITE ;D.  Sorry, you probably wouldn't enjoy the stuff I read so I can't give you book suggestions(unless you read physiology, anatomy and  weightlifting stuff on your own time of course)


7th February 2008, 08:15am
#12
by erikido23
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 237

Oh and I still don't know the purpose of the question, unless it is an ego on the other side which needs to validate himself by saying....Hey, I am better than you.  :D

 

Win, lose or draw the person on the other side can always beat you the next game, even if you ARE far superior to them.  So why dwell on such a thing?   

 

Once again PLAY the damn GAME :D.

 

Don't adulticize everything.  Does a 1 year old want to win a game they are playing?  Nope, they don't even know what winning is.  So go back to that time when you just wandered around aimlessly and had a hell of a lot of fun doing it :D


7th February 2008, 08:36am
#13
by Incommunicado417
Columbus, Ohio United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 82

  oginschile wrote: I always assume that I am the better player, unless I am not...Priceless!!!  Bummer of a middle name though.  Sounds kinda girly. 

 Seriously, I try to approach every game as though my opponent is better than I am.  Luckily that's not much of a reach in most cases.  I try to stick to my plan and not develop bad habits (like pursuing quick mates) that will bite me when I am playing stronger players.


7th February 2008, 07:50pm
#14
by LEE2000
Deep Run, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 51
No ego here, I assure you.  Just a dumb truck driver asking a dumb question.  See you on the board.  Cheers! lee
7th February 2008, 08:12pm
#15
by fuze22
Mesa, Arizona United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 115
    thinking you are better then them and knowing you are better then your opponent are two different things. if you review there games and you see moves you like then you can assume they are as good as you or better. if you see moves you don't like or could take advantage of then you might be better. personally i play better when i think they are as good or better then me because then i have no room for a mistake. when i know i am better i make fast moves and sometimes lose to a blunder.
8th February 2008, 07:40am
#16
by LEE2000
Deep Run, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 51
sound strategy.  lee   assume nothing
8th February 2008, 11:26am
#17
by Everettbo
Napalm United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 4
your first mistake was putting a dam jungle ferret on your profile..and smokin too much pole in deep run
8th February 2008, 11:29am
#18
by lulubell83
California United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 139

Generally, the rating will tell you if the player is better than you or not. 

   However, if the player doesn't have a rating, then I always play my best.  

    When we get into the middle game, I can tell if the person is better or weaker than me.   


8th February 2008, 11:33am
#19
by sir_nemo
New Mexico United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 56

I generally know if I'm a better player about 5 moves into the game(for both sides). If he/she is playing unconventionally that's a sign i'm usually better. *shrug*


8th February 2008, 01:49pm
#20
by erikido23
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 237
LEE2000 wrote: No ego here, I assure you.  Just a dumb truck driver asking a dumb question.  See you on the board.  Cheers! lee

:D


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