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7th May 2009, 11:42am
#1
by rousseausp
Gatineau Canada
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 77

Hi everyone !

I for one am sick and tired of arrogant players and poor sportsmanship.  I am sure I don't have to explain myself, everyone has played people like this.

Since we have no referees to enforce good sportsmanship, I suggest having a sportsmanship meter.  Have it on the player's profile or even beside the nickname when placing a seek.  A player who has been slandered can go on the offending player's profile and take off points (or give points in the case of good sportsmanship).  Players could then choose not to play members with a low sportsmanship rating.

What do you think ?  (and I hope staff are reading this post)

Thanks !

7th May 2009, 11:46am
#2
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 6628
Good idea but excecution is just not gonna work. This is way to easy to abuse. People will end up lying about the guy that cut them off in traffic or somethin.
7th May 2009, 11:52am
#3
by rousseausp
Gatineau Canada
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 77

So lets put a limit on the amount of points we can give or subtract.

7th May 2009, 11:53am
#4
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
Gotham United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 8179

A feedback system could work.

A player who abuses the system (who gives bad ratings to someone who generally has a good rating) would themselves be less trustworthy.

It's like the credit card fraud analysis. When a guy calls up saying that he wants to remove a charge from a certain merchant, you need more information.

If the merchant has all sorts of other complaints, then it is likely their fault.

If the guy complains against tons of merchants (just trying to get free stuff basically) then it is likely his fault. One can get a lot of information by analyzing this graph.

In the past, I've called this idea sort of a credit rating, but I like the term sportsmanship meter much better! :-)

7th May 2009, 11:53am
#5
by DreamLines
Plymouth United Kingdom
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 38

It could possibly work the other way around, if people were only able to increase one's sportmanship meter, allowing the fair players to rise to the top, then it would be less likely to be completely abused....but then we already have that with the 'good sportmanship' trophies. Perhaps something for you to look out for when screening opponents. 

7th May 2009, 11:55am
#6
by socket2me
Northern Colorado United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 1105

Innocent people will get abused by unsportsmanship on the wrong side.  A player who is upset with a loss will unethically try to make a person look bad for it.

This is not a well considered idea to have, in my opinion.

7th May 2009, 11:58am
#7
by rousseausp
Gatineau Canada
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 77
socket2me wrote:

Innocent people will get abused by unsportsmanship on the wrong side.  A player who is upset with a loss will unethically try to make a person look bad for it.

This is not a well considered idea to have, in my opinion.


... so propose a modification to make it a better idea.

7th May 2009, 11:58am
#8
by AfafBouardi
Austin United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 3240

I'm both amused and horrified.

7th May 2009, 12:03pm
#9
by socket2me
Northern Colorado United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 1105
rousseausp wrote:
socket2me wrote:

Innocent people will get abused by unsportsmanship on the wrong side.  A player who is upset with a loss will unethically try to make a person look bad for it.

This is not a well considered idea to have, in my opinion.


... so propose a modification to make it a better idea.


 I totally understand your idea and agree with you if it could work, but I don't think it would materialized into anything beneficial.  Basically, it would do more harm to the good and honest people, then it would to point out ungentleman- like bafoons.              Take the idea and go with it if you feel strongly about it, because, again, it has good intent.

7th May 2009, 12:08pm
#10
by rousseausp
Gatineau Canada
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 77

I think a refined version of this idea has the potential to work.  It just needs to be analyzed and planned out properly (by staff ?).  ...and yes, I do feel strongly about this subject.  Thanks for the reply =o).

7th May 2009, 12:08pm
#11
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 6628
Well for one it's based on an honor code and that's not always reliable unfortunately. I guess if there was a way to show proof it might work.
7th May 2009, 12:09pm
#12
by infinitum
Male' Maldives
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 200
AfafBouardi wrote:

I'm both amused and horrified.


That makes two of us.. Such a feature will only end up being abused.

7th May 2009, 12:14pm
#13
by hmmn
vancouver Canada
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 44

Perhaps we could have as part of the game box aftermath one more thing befoe

we close and move on to the next match a small selection of tickables as to

the satisfaction with this encounter...ie. check-lower rated player with some

good ideas but rude chat.......check-good player but unceasing chat abuse.....

check-no moves just clock left running..... anyway this would be something

like the restaurants have "How was the service today?"

7th May 2009, 12:15pm
#14
by freezenyr
central region of New York state United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1737

a good idea but can't be implemented.  if someone can go to someone's profile and start adding or subtracting points, that certainly will be abused by some people.  much better to just not play the arrogant/mean spirited people in the future after you have a bad experience with them. don't forget you can also block any member you want so you won't have to deal with them again.  good luck

7th May 2009, 12:20pm
#15
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 6628
hmmn wrote:

Perhaps we could have as part of the game box aftermath one more thing befoe

we close and move on to the next match a small selection of tickables as to

the satisfaction with this encounter...ie. check-lower rated player with some

good ideas but rude chat.......check-good player but unceasing chat abuse.....

check-no moves just clock left running..... anyway this would be something

like the restaurants have "How was the service today?"


That's great but what about the jerk who says the service was bad because he wanted three complimentary mints instead of two? Oh yes I have seen that in person - very sad...
7th May 2009, 12:21pm
#16
by rousseausp
Gatineau Canada
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 77
freezenyr wrote:

a good idea but can't be implemented.  if someone can go to someone's profile and start adding or subtracting points, that certainly will be abused by some people.  much better to just not play the arrogant/mean spirited people in the future after you have a bad experience with them. don't forget you can also block any member you want so you won't have to deal with them again.  good luck


... there are way too many players who have unsportsmanship conduct to block them all.  And yes, I block the bad apples, but it is not enough.  There must be some other solution.

7th May 2009, 12:30pm
#17
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 6628
rousseausp wrote:
freezenyr wrote:

a good idea but can't be implemented.  if someone can go to someone's profile and start adding or subtracting points, that certainly will be abused by some people.  much better to just not play the arrogant/mean spirited people in the future after you have a bad experience with them. don't forget you can also block any member you want so you won't have to deal with them again.  good luck


... there are way too many players who have unsportsmanship conduct to block them all.  And yes, I block the bad apples, but it is not enough.  There must be some other solution.


It sucks but I don't really know what to do about it. If they chat rude things u can disable chat and if they stall, u just have to sit it out :S
7th May 2009, 12:36pm
#18
by TheGrobe
Calgary Canada
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 14433

Incidentally, there is already an indicator behind the scenes that would give some kind of a picture how a particular user is viewed by the rest of the community:  How many people have me blocked.  It could probably be exposed without much effort and might well serve the purpose outlined by the original poster.

7th May 2009, 12:37pm
#19
by AfafBouardi
Austin United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 3240

Just brainstorming...maybe if they could be sure that a person couldn't vote for or against you more than once...AND as cobblepot mentioned, I think...they could also keep track of the percentage of positive versus negative feedback a person is giving their opponents...

with the time and resources of the Chess.com staff...this is probably one of the last things to which I'd care for them to devote energy.

Isn't the disable chat feature sufficient?  And reporting someone if they are really crude?  

7th May 2009, 12:40pm
#20
by AfafBouardi
Austin United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 3240

Hm...I've had 3 really disturbing encounters in chat and I didn't block any of them (I did disable chat) but I have blocked some tournament or group directors who overinvite...so I'm not sure the block thing means much.

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