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Stalemate rule needs to be abolished!


  • 21 months ago · #161

    blake78613

    Black wins and gets the brillancy prize.

  • 21 months ago · #162

    pauix

    uri65 wrote:
    pauix wrote:

    Let's say we get into this theoretical position. How would you solve it without the stalemate rule? (Yes, this might never happen in a real game, just consider it a "study position")

     

     


    It looks more like a go position Well, black is controlling more territory here...


    So, if we use Go rules, why don't we consider white's pieces as "prisoners"?Laughing

  • 21 months ago · #163

    Hypocrism

    Stalemate is so important in endgames. It makes a lot of otherwise lost endgames drawable. This makes chess a more interesting game, as material sacrifices won't necessarily lose the endgame.

  • 21 months ago · #164

    AnthonyCG

    uri65 wrote:
    Matthew11 wrote:

    @Monster_with_no_name:

    I think you are going a little to far in saying that the stalemated side should be forced to move their king into check. After all, this isn't always possible.

    As I said before, when in stalemate, the player must break one of the rules of the game (i.e. You cannot move your own king into check, and, you MUST move.)

    Therefor, when one player must break a rule of the game it seems very logical for the stalemated player to lose the game.


    No rule is broken, nobody must move - the game is already ended!!! You don't oblige somebody to move after a checkmate, do you? It's same here just with different outcome.


    Exactly. You can't make an illegal move no matter what nor can you be forced to. No one can legally make a move so the game is drawn.

  • 21 months ago · #165

    gregorycoats

    As I read the posts, part of the problem is that many (not all) of those who wish to abolish the 'stalemate' rule are equating material or material advantage with winning.  I have won many a game were I was down material.  In addition many of the players who promote pawns are down in material before they promote.  Material in chess is not the same as points in a game.  It is closer to time of possession.  In soccer (football to those outside the US) or football time of possession is an indicator, but not the deciding factor.  Let us not forget soccer (the most popular sport in the world) has many draws, even though one side appears to have outplayed the other.
    So just because you are up a pawn (ex: King and Pawn vs King) does not mean you should win or deserve to win.  You need to put your opponent into checkmate!!!  If you cannot successfully do that, you do not win.

  • 21 months ago · #166

    pauix

    gregorycoats wrote:

     Material in chess is not the same as points in a game.  



    This is one of the smartest comments in here. 
  • 21 months ago · #168

    blake78613

    In the 2011 Candidate's Tournament there were 27 draws out of 30 games.  If that happened in the World Cup you would see some rule changes in soccer.

    Personally, I think that changing the rules to make a stalemate a win is a less drastic measure than having important matches being decided by sudden death blitz playoff.

  • 21 months ago · #169

    AndTheLittleOneSaid

    blake78613 wrote:

    In the 2011 Candidate's Tournament there were 27 draws out of 30 games.  If that happened in the World Cup you would see some rule changes in soccer.


    http://www.chess.com/news/candidates-matches-scrapped-9113

  • 21 months ago · #171

    uri65

    blake78613 wrote:

    In the 2011 Candidate's Tournament there were 27 draws out of 30 games.  If that happened in the World Cup you would see some rule changes in soccer.


    There are already some rule changes in some tournaments in order to avoid so many draws. One is Sofia Rules - agreed draws prohibited. Another is scoring system like 0 for loss, 1 for draw and 3 for win. However those changes don't modify the essence of game.

  • 21 months ago · #172

    blake78613

    ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
    In the conversation about incentivizing wins, I don't think that changing stalemate makes the top 10. It's all about soccer scoring these days, or Armageddon games. Maybe blindfold or rapid. But not a 3/4 stalemate rule. Then again, anything is worthy a try, right? Put up enough money and you could even get the super GMs to play a traxler thematic.

    I know you are being sarcastic, but  3/4 point for a stalemate seems like an idea for serious consideration.  It would be similar to wrestling meet where you get so many points for a pin and less points for winning a decision.

  • 21 months ago · #173

    the_villa

    ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
    Thread summary: people, including and especially the OP, will do anything to avoid studying.

     

    This is one of the smartest comments in here. 
  • 21 months ago · #174

    uri65

    blake78613 wrote:

    I know you are being sarcastic, but  3/4 point for a stalemate seems like an idea for serious consideration.  It would be similar to wrestling meet where you get so many points for a pin and less points for winning a decision.


    That means the game can have 5 different results instead of 3. "How was your tournament?" - " Well I had 2 wins, stalemated 1 game, 4 draws, was stalemated in 2, and lost 1"

  • 21 months ago · #175

    blake78613

    uri65 wrote:
    blake78613 wrote:

    I know you are being sarcastic, but  3/4 point for a stalemate seems like an idea for serious consideration.  It would be similar to wrestling meet where you get so many points for a pin and less points for winning a decision.


    That means the game can have 5 different results instead of 3. "How was your tournament?" - " Well I had 2 wins, stalemated 1 game, 4 draws, was stalemated in 2, and lost 1"


    Sounds better than, "How was your tounament?"  " Same as yours, no wins, no losses and 10 draws."

  • 21 months ago · #176

    SimonSeirup

    The stalemate just gives even more awesome sides of chess, because of all the amazing tactics there is with it.

  • 21 months ago · #177

    N2UHC

    I hate that knights move in an L-shaped pattern.  We need to change the rule so that they move in a V- or S- shaped pattern.  And anyone who disagrees with me isn't thinking logically.

  • 21 months ago · #178

    N2UHC

    If you're referring to me, I'm just being sarcastic.  I actually think it would be better if knights moved in an R-shape.

  • 21 months ago · #179

    karangtarunasemarang

    SmileSmile

  • 21 months ago · #180

    Monster_with_no_Name

    http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7469

    check out the 1st user comment below the articles

    Looks like there are more and more of us


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