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Steinitz vs Morphy


  • 2 months ago · Quote · #261

    jetfighter13

    another point I like to bring up is that you can't reach the endgame if you don't survive the middle, give morphy even the hint of a winning position and he will attack. give him an active position and he will attack. Morphy knew how to use what the position gave him and his opponents almost never made it past the middle game, I suspect Stientz would run into a similar problem at first.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #262

    SilentKnighte5

    balente wrote:

    All common opponents of Morphy and Steinitz expressed the opinions that Morphy was stronger player. Match results confirm this.

    Guess there's no point in having tournaments or matches then since we can just predict who would win and declare him a winner.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #263

    knightkrawlirr

    on the internet. (but don't tell morphy anything about anything)

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #264

    yureesystem

    Steinitz and Zukertort match, Zukertort try to attack and Steinitz defend all threats and pocket a pawn and won in the endgame. And there were time Steinitz completely outplay Zukertort in positional play and won. This what would happen to Morphy, Paul will gambit a pawn and Steinitz would defend and win in the endgame or will outplay Morphy in positional play and win. Steinitz also played a tougher opponent, Chigorin and you see what happen, Steinitz won another attacker, Chigorin. Chigorin was a better endgame player than Morphy; and Steinitz beat Chigorin twice in match.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #265

    yureesystem

    Steinitz and Lasker mention some of Morphy faults and deficiency in his skills, they pointed to unsound combination, poor understanding of positional play and poor endgame technique. Look at Lasker's Manuel, he mention this in his book.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #266

    balente

    SilentKnighte5 wrote:

    "Guess there's no point in having tournaments or matches then since we can just predict who would win and declare him a winner."

    Well, if you think you can arrange a match between Morphy and Steinitz, then good luck to you. Let us know how it went. Fucking idiot.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #267

    balente

    yureesystem wrote:

    Steinitz and Lasker mention some of Morphy faults and deficiency in his skills, they pointed to unsound combination, poor understanding of positional play and poor endgame technique. Look at Lasker's Manuel, he mention this in his book.

    Very easy for smart ass to point out "unsound combinations" many years after the game was played. Unfortunately OTB opponent does not have such a time.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #268

    yureesystem

    In Morphy's time there was no time limit and a player could take a long time calculate all the possibilities. Some of Morphy faulty combination could be over confidence or just a bad day. Doesn't mean he was not a genuis, just made him human and humans make mistakes.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #269

    yureesystem

    This endgame I representing is one the reason I think Steinitz would of won a match against Morphy. Steinitz is practical player and a win is more important than a flashy combination that might not win or to play an accurate endgame to win or draw according to the demand of the position.

    This game from a match with Loewenthal, on the 8th game.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #270

    MISTERGQ

    It would have been Lasker taking the title from Morphy after a close match with Steinitz

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #271

    I_Am_Second

    Yereslov wrote:

    Who would win: Morphy or Steinitz (both at their peak)?


    That would definitley be an interesting match.  The unstoppable force vs. The immovable object.  Since i think defense wins games, id go with Steinitz.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #272

    il_Nick

    yureesystem ha scritto:

    In Morphy's time there was no time limit and a player could take a long time calculate all the possibilities. Some of Morphy faulty combination could be over confidence or just a bad day. Doesn't mean he was not a genuis, just made him human and humans make mistakes.

    Indeed, this is the big difference between Morphy and all his opponents and/or later players: Paul never thinked more than a few seconds or at worst not many minutes for his moves. Just brainwaves, no matter for a little (human) mistakes.


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