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Stupid checkmate


  • 10 months ago · Quote · #1

    bamboozel

    I hate it when I lose a game like this. So, can anyone help me with what went wrong? Thanks
  • 10 months ago · Quote · #2

    Arctor

    I can see three things wrong with this game.

    1. You played the Scandinavian

    2. 9...Bxf3

    3. You ignored his attack and let him push h5

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #3

    joecv123

    I agree with brilliantboy.

    In my opinion, you shouldn't play the Scandinavian Defense.  It loses a tempo.

    Instead of 9...Bxf3, I would suggest you keep the bishop a little while longer to stop the attack.

    And instead of 13...Nb4, why not try 13...h5 to stop the march of the h-pawn. 

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #4

    bamboozel

    ok i think i figured it out. Instead of 13. ... Nb4 I had to push the e pawn or something so i got my queen out.. thanks anyway

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #5

    bamboozel

    I don't really know what the scandinavian defense is... And h5 is ok too. Anyway it doesn't really matter, because it was a blitz game :) 

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #6

    kvlc

    I hate the kingside fianchetto.  It's so easy to just trade off black's good bishop and then push the h and g pawns for an attack.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #7

    bamboozel

    didn't know that :D

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #8

    SokeP

    brilliantboy wrote:

    I can see three things wrong with this game.

    1. You played the Scandinavian

    2. 9...Bxf3

    3. You ignored his attack and let him push h5


    He is right, but also:

    1.  The Scandinavian Defense (or Center Counter) is 1.e4 d5,

    1b. if you want to play it, try 2. exd5 Nf6, this is more tactical and gives black a lot of play (it can be a fun game).  2. ...Qxd5 turns out to be positional; also the Q can go elsewhere besides back to d8.

    1c. 4. Nc3 is giving black a chance to hold off d4 (White already has d4 covered, and he needs to be preventing e5 or c5 (the two break-out points for Black)).

    1d. 4....e5 would have prevented 5. d4 (immediately) and freed your K-side Bishop to a good diagonal, without wrecking your own kingside, and without wasting a move to fianchetto.  g6, Bg7, ect can have their place, but only when it is intentional and useful. (see Grunfeld against 1.d4)

    2. NOT: 9. ...BxNf3 as mentioned.  that B might be better on f5, possibly coordinating with the Nb4 or at least affecting the center.  Black might be done after ...g6, but .....BxNf3 and  ....a5 (are you under the impression that something is going to happen on the Q-side?) don't help the cause.

    3. as mentioned, you have to pay attention to h4 etc.

    Don't feel bad, we have all had games like this; it is one of the reasons that we adopt some openings to get us thru the 1st 10 moves.  Also, the 2....Qxd5 seems exciting, but 2....Nf6 is actually more agressive; the Q can play a part in this opening, but Black can get real pressure for giving up a Pawn; but do it with e5 or c5, Bb4, 00, Re8, maybe 000; with nearly every black move applying pressure.  1.e4 d5  2.exd5 Nf6  3. c4 c6  4.dxc6 Nxc6 (technically: Scandanavian Gambit) can give a sense of the lead in development that can come from 1. e4 d5.

     

    Enjoy.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #9

    SimonSeirup

    You cant let him push h5. You have to play something like 13. ... h5

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #10

    bamboozel

    @sokeP thanks man ;)

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #11

    Thaddeus_Samson

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #12

    Arctor

    Thaddeus_Samson wrote:

     


     3...Qe4+  4.Qe2

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #13

    Thaddeus_Samson

    brilliantboy: 3...Ne2 is better. Black can respond to 4.Qe2.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #14

    zirtoc

    I concur with everybody here about learning the Center-Counter properly, along with not taking the pinned knight (the tension works in your favor) and pushing h5.  In some positions, you have to worry about a g pawn coming to attack your h5 pawn.  But in this case, you eliminated that possibility.  So h5 would have stopped his attack cold.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #15

    Arctor

    @ Thaddeus_Samson:

    3...Qe4+ 4. Ne2 simply loses a pawn

    3...Qe4+ 4. Qe2 Qxe2+ 5. Bxe2 is better

    The moves you give in your example are in no way forced. White has better options.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #16

    Flamma_Aquila

    I would add... as soon as he castled queenside, you know you are prolly going to have deuling pawn storms on opposite sides. Either attack and put pressure, or get ready to defend like a mofo.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #17

    Thaddeus_Samson

    brilliantboy: Ne2 is the better option for white. Material isn't the only consideration.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #18

    Arctor

    Thaddeus_Samson wrote:

    brilliantboy: Ne2 is the better option for white. Material isn't the only consideration.

     


     I respectfully disagree

      White's better development is probably compensation for the pawn...but no more than that..initiative has a habit of disappearing quickly, and Black is ready to lock down the d5 square. Whereas after 4. Qe2 Qxe2+ 5. Bxe2, White has a slight lead in development and a space advantage with no material deficit (and no isolani)

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #19

    Thaddeus_Samson

    brilliantboy: How about we play two games one you playing white with Qe2 and one with me playing Ne2 and we see who comes out ahead?

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #20

    Arctor

    Thaddeus_Samson wrote:

    brilliantboy: How about we play two games one you playing white with Qe2 and one with me playing Ne2 and we see who comes out ahead?

     


     Sure, I'll play you but the result is going to be more a reflection on our respective playing strengths than a comment on which line is better


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