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To take is a mistake.
I dont play games to win i play games for fun.
There's your problem! You keep saying that you don't feel people who trade pieces are playing the game the way it was meant to be played... But you yourself are, objectively, not playing the game the way it was meant to be played. I've said this before, but it's a game, you're supposed to play to win. If you enjoy playing to win, then it's a good game. If you don't play to win, you can't really blame anyone but yourself if your opponents don't give you positions that you enjoy playing!
The objective in chess is to capture the king. The objective must be achieved within an time.
The objective Imprefect_Luck playing games is to have fun. The objective must be achieved in whatever pay the game player has the most fun.
Whose objective is more important? Chess' or Imperfect_Luck. I say Imperfect_Luck's objective takes a greater priority than the objective of chess because chess is an idea created to serve man. Man does not serve chess.
There is no "problem" with his objective.
While one may look at his objective with disdain, the objective affects no one but himself.
I'm not telling anyone to forgo having fun for winning. If Imperfect_Luck can't have fun while trying as hard as he can to win, I don't have a problem with it. I, however, enjoy trying to get the best positions possible, thus, I like Chess.
I played one tournament game recently that I really wanted to win. I knew my opponent wasn't good at endgames, and that I was in comparison, so I just tried to swap off material mindlessly to reach a solid endgame position. My opponent took advantage of this and fit a tactic in to the series of trades so that I lost a Rook for a Bishop. I wasn't trying to spite him, I was just trying to win, and I paid for playing somewhat mindlessly. He got the better of me.
My problem is that Imperfect_Luck appears to be a jerk. He's comparing people who want to trade down material to terrorists, or terrorist sympathizers. But hey, it's his opinion. If he wants to say terrible things about them, it's a free country!
No, wait, it's an online discussion forum, and flaming is against the rules.
Also, if you look at his profile, you can see a rather interesting story: He played a game with a guy who "suicided" a piece (for a legitimate reason, of course) so he left the game until his opponent's time ran out. Yeah... Either he regrets doing this, in which case we can wait for some kind of statement, or he doesn't regret it. If he doesn't regret it, it invalidates his claim that he has no problem with the people who "suicide" their pieces.
And all this time he has been lecturing us about the evil in the world. I think this calls for a quote:
Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well-camouflaged. Vigilance that is the price we must continuously pay.
the fewer pieces your opponent has, the fewer ways he has to checkmate you. then, it's a challenge to see who is more resourceful and can better form their offence while still maintaining a solid defence.
BTW, Imperfect_Luck is a complete nincompoop if (s)he cannot differentiate a terrorist from a chess game. whenever i play against somebody i lack confidence playing against, i try to trade s many pieces as possible so that the game can be closer at the end. i see no shame in trading for logical reasons or just mindlessly if you play your hardest and accept defeat when you loose. the problem is people like Imperfect_Luck being idiots and trying to make us play like how they want us to play. if everyone i played against played the moves i wanted them to make, i would be the next grandmaster since i would win every game. but, chess is only a game and not everyone plays the same. i would like to play this ignoramus troll just to piss him off and 'suicide' my pieces for favor of resourcefulness over a game of 'who wants to play two idiots at a cluttered board?'.
Flaming is "Defined as personally attacking individual(s) or group(s)." His was an impersonal attack that, while "terrible", follows the guidelines of these forums.As for him abandoning a game without resigning, that certainly is against fairplay rules and good etiquette. It's wrong, and he should - if he has not already - come to terms with the idea that some may not adhere to his wishes on this site. I don't recall him ever lecturing us about evil in the world though. I recall him professing a preference and critical opinion.
He hasn't explicitly flamed anyone, but yes, the horrible implication is there.
As to the lectures on evil, don't forget all the times he used the word "malice," the rant on the lifelong rape victim, and of course the Picard quote.
@Imperfect_Luck, you poseted a link to the video by Igor Smirnov called "to take is a mistake" (which I did watch completely). If trading pieces is usually a mistake, then why do you resign when your opponent does so? Why resign when your opponent messes up and leaves you with an advantage?
I'll tell you why. Because you do not actually believe that "to take is a mistake", you believe that "to take ruins my checkmate plan so I'm gonna go on a forum and tell everyone who trades pieces that they are suicidal and unworthy opponents".
By the way, when you have a forum topic that is 30 pages long and out of all the posts, maybe 2 or 3 people sympathize with you, and everyone else tells you that you're wrong, that's a pretty good indication that you're wrong.
You sound too rational for this forum, NegaMax.
I can assure you that the 2 to 3 posters that "sympathize" with him were just trolling.
People can be pretty stubborn and defiant.
I know a senior citizen who once argued for three hours with a dozen people that if you close all the doors, windows, and draw the shades to said windows in your house when it's 100 degrees out (with no air conditioning) the house will remain cooler because you've effectively blocked the warm air from entering your home. As he was arguing this, he was pouring sweat from head to toe in his kitchen. Obviously, the sane, middle aged people were only trying to spare the man from heat exhaustion and inevitable death.
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Out of all this, this is the best post so far.
I just don't understand why you don't want to give us examples from your own games. I think it would be interesting for you to hear our view on th emoves made by your opponents, but even more interesting for us to hear why you think certain moves (trades) are suicidal or are only played by cowards.
I even want to play a game with you. Not a blitz game but a correspondence game in wich you have 3 days to make a move. And everytime i trade pieces i willfully explain why i made that move.
I truly hope that we can finally start talking about chess games and chess positions in this thread.
When people fill in the blanks, it doesn't mean the original post was clear, and it certainly wasn't evidence that what he wrote was represented by what people guessed it could've been. Please quote for me where he suggested anything other than material incentives for any exchange or sac to occur. All you'll find are distasteful analogues and rhetorical devices that do nothing but justify ignorance and general lack of appreciation for the game. You know who else are good at extrapolating information with vague information? Con artists and psychics.
Anyone who speaks in the manner which your object of sympathy does, should at least have the "common sense" to know that such words will attract scrutiny and "luders" as you'd like to put it. You were right about one thing though. He did use his "own dialect", but in no way even after the laughable need for translation did he say anything remotely similar to what the GM on that video had to say.
To be honest, I came in asking him to provide one of his games and point out the moves, 24 pages ago, going so far as to naively back him up like you are doing now. Many posts later, it became obvious he had no intention for any real discussion, and only reponds to criticisms regarding his person, showing where his priorities lie. Speaking of which, there's an important lesson in all of this. - You cannot reason or debate a liar.
His original post was just him stomping on the merits of his opponents' moves. What'd you expect, high fives?
dude, don't diss physics or, for that matter, any form of science. it's not like astrology, where when you do an experiment 10,000 times and it fails once and it's still true; in science, if anything is proven wrong 1 time out of an infinite number of trails, it's then wrong.
What else to say to that but the obvious... psychics and physics are two different things.
oh... I misread that.
Of course the big question has to be: Why hasn't this garbage been moved to Off Topic?
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