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27th November 2007, 12:06pm
#1
by CowboyNoel
Katy, TX United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 29

 I just forced the trade of my Q for his 2 rooks sound or nutz?
 How about if the board is full of pawns and with the Queen and 2 Rooks, would it still be sound? 

27th November 2007, 12:15pm
#2
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153
My thought is, you have the only bishop. I would have simplified like this in a heartbeat because I could win this game against anybody. Black has no counterplay so the game is just details at this point -- and easy details.
27th November 2007, 12:26pm
#3
by tactician
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 236
white easily wins the position after the queen trade, he just has to use his bishop and more importantly his king. You move your king up the board and either go on his king or queen-side. Strategic pawn moves should also be made. And even if black gets a chance to promote, you can always sacrifice the bishop, so a very easy win for white.
27th November 2007, 01:21pm
#4
by CowboyNoel
Katy, TX United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 29
How about no B?  is the Q worth 2 Rs? On paper the Q is 9 and Rs are 5 each. However worth can be realtive to how playable the pieces are.
27th November 2007, 01:34pm
#5
by mxdplay4
mids UK England
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 692
CowboyNoel wrote: How about no B?  is the Q worth 2 Rs? On paper the Q is 9 and Rs are 5 each. However worth can be realtive to how playable the pieces are.

you should normally trade a queen for two rooks , yes.

27th November 2007, 01:37pm
#6
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153
If you look at this game, without the bishop it's not so simple as 10 > 9. If you decide to trade the queen for two rooks, you are entering a king and pawn endgame. You should know whether you are better or worse in the endgame when you do that. In this position, I think black's pawn structure is a little better, though I'm not certain if it's enough to win. Also, what are the alternatives to trading? In this case, it looks like the white might be winning some pawns by keeping the pieces on.
5th December 2007, 07:30pm
#7
by Reservesmonkey
Azerbaijan
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 344
Loomis wrote: My thought is, you have the only bishop. I would have simplified like this in a heartbeat because I could win this game against anybody."

 Kasparov or even Dembo? Don't think so...


5th December 2007, 07:33pm
#8
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153
Honestly, in the exact position where the queen and rooks have already been traded and I have the only piece on the board. Yes, I believe I could beat Kasparov. It's a technical victory, not a creative one -- that's the point of saying the opponent doesn't matter.
5th December 2007, 07:44pm
#9
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 2942

"Yes, I believe I could beat Kasparov."

 

Of course. With the White pieces in the final position I could crush the GM or computer of your choice. And they would do likewise if they had the White pieces!


5th December 2007, 07:48pm
#10
by Ricardo_Morro
Bridgeport, CT United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 233
Yes, the hard part is to get a piece up on Kasparov in the first place.
 

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