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Takeback Request Option


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #21

    baddogno

    I think takebacks have a legitimate role in a teaching environment or between close friends; otherwise it just seems to sully the competitive environment that is one of the attractions of chess.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #22

    johnmusacha

    Another reason i make mouse slips is that a lot of the time in live games I play drunk and/or high . . . so if being drunk/high isnt an excuse for bad behavior in real life, it shouldn't be an excuse for a chess game either.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #23

    rwhcj225

    From someone who just gave up their Queen, because I missed seeing the Knight that could take it, I would love to have a takeback, But, to me, that would ruin the whole meaning of the game. I made a  mistake. I have to suffer the   consequences. Oh how it hurt. 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #24

    TheGrobe

    If it registered the result, adjusted the ratings, and then let you carry on with the game unrated it might be a pretty good compromise.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #25

    himath2009

    TheGrobe wrote:

    If it registered the result, adjusted the ratings, and then let you carry on with the game unrated it might be a pretty good compromise.

    A Compromesso Storico... 

    This is a fine idea!  And one that takes care of most concerns regarding the improper use (esp. in matches or tournaments) of a take-back option - while, at the same time giving the opportunity to players who may so wish to carry on with their game.

    As for the general (non-ratings related) abuse mentioned in various notes above, I think this is a serious problem and has nothing to do with any particular function or option.  Those keen on abusing someone do not need a take-back, or any other excuse for that matter, for being  stupid, rude or indecent - it is genetic and irreversible.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #26

    TheGrobe

    Having it registered as a loss before continuing should certainly work to disincentivize abuse of this particular feature.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #27

    HighNoon52

    I've never liked the idea of takeback (unless you're playing an unrated game and you want to study a certain opening or situation with a friend or something like that - running through different permutations, etc.) - that being said, the only takeback I've ever had was when I was learning to play on another chess website (a friend was showing me around and we played a practice game) - I had a legit mouseslip due to being unfamiliar with the controls and I messaged him saying something like "Gahhhhh - mouseslip!" as I had basically thrown away a winning endgame.   He then offered me a takeback which I accepted - even in that situation I was uncomfortable with accepting a takeback.   I like Grobe's idea - that would definitely satisfy those who want to complete an otherwise good game while discouraging abuse of takeback requests.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #28

    Here_Is_Plenty

    I had someone in a Glasgow League match over the board this season ask for a takeback.  He knew he would not get it though and was trying to psych me out as he was leaving a piece en prise and was trying to make me think he had made a mistake but if I took it I would have been crucified.  Brat.  Beat his sorry ass eventually.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #29

    waffllemaster

    Played on one online site that gave the option of setting # of takebacks.  This was an option just like time.  The # of takebacks were given to each player, and it was not a request.  On your opponents move you could force a takeback by clicking the button.  After your opponent had moved the option was not available. 

    This isn't such a bad system IMO.  Maybe make all such games unrated and it would be useful for friendly / training games.

    Grobe's suggestion is good too.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #30

    himath2009

    So, to sum up the points hitherto made, there might be a consensus for the introduction of a Take-Back Option with the following characteristics:

     

    1. It will apply to all types of games (online, live, etc.) and it can appear as a new button alongside the Offer Draw or Resign ones.

    2. Any player who dislikes this option will be able to modify his settings accordingly and never have to be confronted with or bothered by such a request.

    3. To preserve integrity and the rules of play, any player requesting a take back will be warned that acceptance of his request will result in an immediate loss and a corresponding rating adjustment to his detriment. This should help keep abuse -and mistaken use- to a minimum.  

    4. After the result is registered and the ratings are adjusted the players will be able to carry on with their game unrated.

     

     I wonder how should one proceed had he wanted to make this a formal improvement suggestion to Chess.com – should it go through a ticket?

     

    If any staff member is monitoring this thread, please advise…

     

     

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #31

    Math0t

    If you really want a takeback option just use the move confirmation feature, this is already available on chess.com.

    This way you can takeback without bothering your opponent Smile

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #32

    whirlwind2011

    @himath2009: Chess.com staff are not likely to undertake these changes, since take-back games are already available to all members. Nevertheless, if you would like to formally ask the staff to take your proposition under advisement, then you should fill out a Support Ticket:

    http://support.chess.com/Tickets/Submit

    and click the radio button for Site Feedback & Suggestions.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #33

    himath2009

    mathot wrote:

    If you really want a takeback option just use the move confirmation feature, this is already available on chess.com.

    This way you can takeback without bothering your opponent 

    I think you are missing the point... Personally, I do not ask for takebacks - but still think there are cases where they can be put to good use. If you are interested in the rationale, do read the entire thread... 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #34

    himath2009

    whirlwind2011 wrote:

    @himath2009: Chess.com staff are not likely to undertake these changes, since take-back games are already available to all members. Nevertheless, if you would like to formally ask the staff to take your proposition under advisement, then you should fill out a Support Ticket:

    http://support.chess.com/Tickets/Submit

    and click the radio button for Site Feedback & Suggestions.

    Thank you, Dan...

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #35

    Math0t

    himath2009 wrote:
    mathot wrote:

    If you really want a takeback option just use the move confirmation feature, this is already available on chess.com.

    This way you can takeback without bothering your opponent 

    I think you are missing the point... Personally, I do not ask for takebacks

    I didn't mean "you" personally but "you" as someone (not sure how to say this in English).

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #36

    bobyyyy

    "Takeback Request Option. What is your opinion, people? Do you think such an option should be introduced in this site?"

    Sorry but this is a horrible suggestion. It means after you defeated your opponent you have to defeat him or her again in the same game. It's an idea that will most certainly be abused by inconsiderate people who want to distract an opponent in time trouble.

    If people make a mouse slip that's their problem. And how can we be sure it's a mouse slip when it might be somebody who just made a stupid mistake.

    I used to play chess at another website and I will never go back there because they have a takeback option which is abused constantly by rude chess players.

    The rules of chess say "no taking back moves". Let's stick to the rules.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #37

    himath2009

    bobyyyy wrote:
    "Takeback Request Option. What is your opinion, people? Do you think such an option should be introduced in this site?"

    Sorry but this is a horrible suggestion. It means after you defeated your opponent you have to defeat him or her again in the same game. It's an idea that will most certainly be abused by inconsiderate people who want to distract an opponent in time trouble.

    If people make a mouse slip that's their problem. And how can we be sure it's a mouse slip when it might be somebody who just made a stupid mistake.

    I used to play chess at another website and I will never go back there because they have a takeback option which is abused constantly by rude chess players.

    The rules of chess say "no taking back moves". Let's stick to the rules.

     

    1. It will apply to all types of games (online, live, etc.) and it can appear as a new button alongside the Offer Draw or Resign ones.

    2. Any player who dislikes this option will be able to modify his settings accordingly and never have to be confronted with or bothered by such a request.

    3. To preserve integrity and the rules of play, any player requesting a take back will be warned that acceptance of his request will result in an immediate loss and a corresponding rating adjustment to his detriment. This should help keep abuse -and mistaken use- to a minimum.

    4. After the result is registered and the ratings are adjusted the players will be able to carry on with their game unrated.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #38

    cferrel

    I dont give take backs since I go by touch move rules.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #39

    TheGrobe

    bobyyyy wrote:
    "Sorry but this is a horrible suggestion.

    Seems you're missing both the words "request" and "option" in the title of the thread.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #40

    nigelzub

    take back i would be  a grand master lol 


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