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I don't know about anyone else, but I find it annoying, especially because I have a lot of games going. I just can't get rid of that yellow box and I barely have any vacation time left, I've been trying to reduce it faster so conditional moves are helping, I don't care nearly as much about the game, I just want to get rid of it, so I use CM's to speed it up.
Whenever my opponent plays conditional moves I think "Seriously? He's that obsessed with online chess" or "umm..creepy, he must be psychic or something". When I asked my opponent on chat why he used so many conditional moves he said "Can't sit around all day waiting for you" or something like that. I'm like "Doesn't he have better things to do like stare at the screen with like, 5 games waiting for his opponents to move? Does he have a life" Not sure if anyone did experience my experience, but hopefully someone can sympathize with this thought...
I make use of conditionals in 2 areas of the game:
1. The opening. If I'm playing the Sicilian as black, there's no reason for me not to input the main replies by white. It's a waste of time to wait for the "interesting novelty" of white following 1.e4 c5 up with 2.Nf3, 3.d4, and so on. My opponent should neither by surprised nor annoyed by conditionals in that situation.
2. Forced sequences. Gee, if my opponent doesn't recapture with his rook, he'll lose the game instantly. Should I wait and see what he does or input the forced reply as a conditional? Duh! Again, my opponent should neither be surprised nor annoyed by conditionals in that situation.
There is no reason anybody should be annoyed per the 2 situations above and also there are other times "if"moves should not be annoying.
In one game I had a difficult position that required a bit of thought and I finally came up with a move I was happy with...and wholla...I get a CM response. This kept on happening, move after move. I didn't think that my moves all that were obvious, but my opponent did. I thought it was hilarious.
The thing about conditional moves is that your opponents moves can still be bad. I once made the mistake of not analyzing as thouroughly as I should and drew a winning position because I forgot that I had put in conditional moves that were bad. I am almost 100% positive that if I had not used CM's in that case that I would have caught my opponents resource, and probably won the game.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that sometimes CM's cause underanalysis.
I agree totally there. I have used it against players ranging from 1200-1800 in my games when there are forced or winning continuations but even though my opponent played in one of my last games the moves I figured he would, I missed a forced mate in 3 by exact play on a Knight sac as well. CMs can go both ways for an opponent.
Here is a true experience which happened more than 45 years ago in the era of postal chess:
I played a game where I thought I was doing well but at the end on about the 32nd move I did a tactic which lost. and I resigned.
Got to play the same player again soon after and I kept giving "if" moves
to follow our previous game and he kept accepting. Finally we arrived at the game position where my tactic has lost before. This time I played the correct tactic and my opponent had to resign immediately! So two games exactly the same until about the 32nd move.
I just want to point out the madness of playing a game that is identical 32 moves in. How you did that is beyond me. Nice one.
One thing that could be usefull to add to conditional moves:
"no matter what move he/she does, I will do this"
I may have missed this option, but it is impossible/alot of work to set all lines if you are already sure what you will do and it doesnt matter what your opponent does.
I see no legitimate reason to care at all.
Indeed, if you are particularly bothered or intimidated by a conditional move, then your problems run deeper than chess.
Indeed indeed. If you're not mindful as to every move that is made and the reasons behind in, in chess or outside of it, then you've already lost :)
the LoTR thing was meant to be funny. but I believe there is a psycological side to them. its just not as strong as it seems.
Just faced a conditional move, my response? Checkmate.:D
One thing I've noticed that no one has mentioned is that here on chess.com, conditional moves allow you to actually see the position, you dont' have to visualize in your head, you know what's coming, and in theory it could be used as an analysis aid. So unless one is extremely careless, CM's could only improve the quality of your analysis. let's say you're in a tricky endgame that you assume is kind of simple, and you're CM-ing several moves, when you noticey that hey, there'es more going on than I thought. If you hadn't been CM-ing, you might have played the first move or so and started down a path that there is no going back on. By CM-ing you have seen something down the road and that has changed your initial move. Since I'm trying to improve my chess here, I need practice calculating and visualizing, so I only use CM for obvious moves and recaptures, but I hope you see what I mean...
Actually, I just noticed the "analyze" button, which lets u analyze all u want, so nevermind about my last post, LOL
LOL I was just about to suggest it.
BTW, I noticed in January 1999, you technically became a National Master when you broke 2200. You can get the title added to your account here on chess.com, which will give you a free diamond membership for life. You should look into it.
15 months old, but, I just noticed this. Conditional Moves are a way of speeding the game along for me, also documenting thoughts on how to handle a situation (e.g. from using analysis in the rare instances I do). I can understand how they come across as an intimdation factor; though they shouldn't unless the game is between people of dispirate rank. At certain points in a game, there's only so much you can do. You can document your standard openings and responses, or, as noted, forced checkmate. One thing I've done to stop the flow of conditional moves, and force the other person to think is simply push a pawn as a waiting move (rather than anything else).
I played those snail paced correspondence postal games some more than
55 years ago. Conditional moves were very useful for me and I would still use them now.
Too bad we cannot use them in vote chess.
I think there's another psychological effect of using CM (if I only new how to make them, that would be sweet).
When you are playing stronger opponents, it's much more interesting for both when you're handicapping the game by making sure your opponent gets less time on their time control, say 25 minutes for you, and 5 minutes for your opponent. BUT, when playing these games, you may have the tendency to sort of adopt your opponents' time pressure, and at the end of the game, you may still have about 15 minutes left, while your opponent has about 8 seconds, meaning you probably could have played much better, had you been able to totally disregard your opponents time pressure, and play in your own tempo. I'm so bad at chess, that I've fell into this trap on more than one occasion. Might not screw up things for better players, and might not work in correspondence chess at all, but I've even fell into that trap when going from several 2/1 blitz games in a row, only to see that an opponent has made their move in one of my correspondence chess games. I access that game, and sometimes blunder, feeling that I have to reply quickly to a complicated position.
I wonder if the fact that I dont even know what conditional moves are outside of the online chess option in some way contributes to my relatively abysmal live chess scores.
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