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21st July 2009, 11:28am
#1
by e4forme
Tennessee United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 2977

In a free world, I will never understand why Black plays the Sicilian! If they have a gun... ok, play it , otherwise...

Supposedly the Sicilian Negates or Equalizes Whites first move advantage by changing into an unbalanced game. That is True! However, White gains a Space and Development edge! That is all they were trying to gain with the first move in the first place!!

21st July 2009, 11:33am
#2
by jrcolonial98
Newtown, Connecticut United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 2445

Ugh... ive told u a billion times!

 

instead of meeting white with e5, he stakes out his own territory, and attacks d4. Also, in the main lines he gets an extra center pawn.

21st July 2009, 11:35am
#3
Member Since: Feb 2009
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e4forme wrote:

In a free world, I will never understand why Black plays the Sicilian! If they have a gun... ok, play it , otherwise...

Supposedly the Sicilian Negates or Equalizes Whites first move advantage by changing into an unbalanced game. That is True! However, White gains a Space and Development edge! That is all they were trying to gain with the first move in the first place!!


 And white doesn't get a space and development edge with other responses? White can always use he's extra tempo to force black out of the centre, so the siclian makes sure black gets a lot in return.

21st July 2009, 11:36am
#4
by e4forme
Tennessee United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 2977

lol... Can't sell me ;-)

I gladly give up a pawn in the opening for a Spatial, Time, or Developmental edge!

21st July 2009, 11:38am
#5
by Tricklev
Sweden
Member Since: Feb 2009
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And this is why the sicilian is the worst scoring of all blacks possible responses to 1.e4.

 

Oh wait.

21st July 2009, 12:03pm
#6
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 2720

 -- 1.e4?  Is there a worse first move? The pawn was defended back on e2, why move it? e4 is a self-inflicted weakness waiting to be exploited! So, 1...c5 might not be the best answer, but after a blunder like 1.e4 Black has equalized and he can play anything he likes. 

WinkWinkWinkTongue outWink

21st July 2009, 12:06pm
#7
by sargentboomstick
United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1338

no e4 is no blunder

21st July 2009, 12:07pm
#8
by BritishOpening
Up North United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2009
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Tricklev wrote:

And this is why the sicilian is the worst scoring of all blacks possible responses to 1.e4.

 

Oh wait.


Statistics don't tell the whole story. According to statistics, the reply a6 has a higher win rate for black than the Sicilian.

A likely reason why the Sicilian has such a high win rate for black is because it's been so thoroughly analysed. The black player chooses the Sicilian because he//she knows it well, and so the percentage of black player to white players who are fluent in the Sicilian will be significantly in black's favour.

There is nothing to suggest that the Sicilian is inherently strong, anymore than most other defences.

21st July 2009, 12:13pm
#9
by Flamma_Aquila
Murfreesboro, Tennessee United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 1257
sargentboomstick wrote:

no e4 is no blunder


Can you only imagine how good Fischer would have been if he didn't constantly blunder the first move! Tongue out

21st July 2009, 12:15pm
#10
by sargentboomstick
United States
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i dont think i understand you are you saing fischer blunderd with 1.e4

21st July 2009, 12:31pm
#11
by atomichicken
United Kingdom
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Member Points: 1285
sargentboomstick wrote:

i dont think i understand you are you saing fischer blunderd with 1.e4


Welcome to the World of irony.

21st July 2009, 12:36pm
#12
by e4forme
Tennessee United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 2977
JG27Pyth wrote:

 -- 1.e4?  Is there a worse first move? The pawn was defended back on e2, why move it? e4 is a self-inflicted weakness waiting to be exploited! So, 1...c5 might not be the best answer, but after a blunder like 1.e4 Black has equalized and he can play anything he likes. 

 

 


 I love it!! This kind of thought leads to the Easy Wins ;-)

21st July 2009, 12:37pm
#13
by atomichicken
United Kingdom
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Member Points: 1285
e4forme wrote:

In a free world, I will never understand why Black plays the Sicilian! If they have a gun... ok, play it , otherwise...

Supposedly the Sicilian Negates or Equalizes Whites first move advantage by changing into an unbalanced game. That is True! However, White gains a Space and Development edge! That is all they were trying to gain with the first move in the first place!!


When I read this I expected you to be under 1500 in rating. Then again I once met an Expert who said that the KID is Black's only good response to 1.d4.

And the guy who said that e4 is best by test wasn't so bad either. Apparantly chess ability and common sense don't always go together..

21st July 2009, 12:41pm
#14
by ASpieboy
ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Canada
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Member Points: 1726

Heal: Sicilian

Hurt: 1. e4

21st July 2009, 12:46pm
#15
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
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Member Points: 1648

Humour yes, irony no.  Don't confuse the merkins.  Tongue out

21st July 2009, 12:53pm
#16
by e4forme
Tennessee United States
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Member Points: 2977

 "And the guy who said that e4 is best by test wasn't so bad either. Apparantly chess ability and common sense don't always go together"... Atomichicken

lol... My point exactly!

21st July 2009, 01:01pm
#17
by BFM
Tallinn Estonia
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 337

If you wish to discredit one of the most solid openings, you better come up with more depth in your post than the rather silly and untrue claim of "White gains a Space and Development edge"

Or was the whole thread an attempt of a humor?

21st July 2009, 01:03pm
#18
by atomichicken
United Kingdom
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 1285
e4forme wrote:

 "And the guy who said that e4 is best by test wasn't so bad either. Apparantly chess ability and common sense don't always go together"... Atomichicken

lol... My point exactly!


Oh, ok sorry I didn't realise it was meant to be a humorous post.

21st July 2009, 01:11pm
#19
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1411

of course! any good player knows that you only play the sicilian to trick your opponent into thinking it is a good opening so that they may play it next time. Thats why i've been playing it exclusively Cool

21st July 2009, 02:17pm
#20
by e4forme
Tennessee United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 2977

Great Plan! ;-)

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