the side-effects of cheating

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27th March 2009, 02:06pm
#81
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 3674

This notion of two players agreeing to use computers is still against the rules. It pollutes the rating system.

Is there a clause in the site agreement about perhaps unrated advanced chess?

27th March 2009, 02:13pm
#82
by fuze22
Flagstaff, Arizona United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 211
gentleman600 wrote:I agree with JD_Hall they should be banned, but for life.

cheating is cheating how small does not matter. chess sets standards its a game of respect.


they are banned for life. cheating is cheating. always has been. always will be.

you know when Belichick was caught cheating(illegal video taping) he did not get kicked out of the NFL, but he did pay a hefty fine.

27th March 2009, 02:15pm
#83
by kohai
chess.com International
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 3888

You may NOT get any help from any person or any chess engine throughout the course of a game, including tablebases. You MAY use books, magazines, or other articles. You may also use computer databases (including Chess.com's Game Explorer).

EXCEPTION: If both players agree for the use of a chess engine in an UNRATED game then it can be allowed.

chess.com FAQ

28th March 2009, 07:22pm
#84
by PerfectGent
St Andrews Scotland
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1722
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Is there a clause in the site agreement about perhaps unrated advanced chess?


Ozzie, yes there is - advanced games must be unrated and with the agreement of both players.

there is an advanced chess group

29th March 2009, 05:01pm
#85
by lawyer08
Seattle United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 59
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

This notion of two players agreeing to use computers is still against the rules. It pollutes the rating system.

Is there a clause in the site agreement about perhaps unrated advanced chess?


 Ozzie,

Good point. Strictly speaking, computer v. computer games affect the rating system and may be considered "cheating" because such play leads to unnatural ratings. 

Still, I have less of a problem with people who agree to a rated match of computer v. computer than with the the situation where one player, without the other player's consent, pits his computer against another human. As far as I'm concerned, this is the more irritating type of cheating (yes, I think there are degrees of cheating. Do you really think both of the above scenarios are equally obnoxious?).

Certainly, though, two players agreeing to an unrated computer v. computer game is ok. After all, the goal is largely about having fun. If pitting computers floats someone's boat, then this seems fine as long as both players agree and the game is unrated.

2nd April 2009, 11:45pm
#86
by WilliamLious
Whyalla Australia
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 49

It would be handy to allow an alternate account, even attached directly to a normal account, for when a computer is being used. It would be handy for those that are developing, testing, and assessing, chess engines.

Such alternate account would be flagged as computerised and have some identification such as the chess engine name, chess engine version, and the hardware upon which it operating.

You can't say no to CC!!

3rd April 2009, 02:47pm
#87
by fuze22
Flagstaff, Arizona United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 211
WilliamLious wrote:

It would be handy to allow an alternate account, even attached directly to a normal account, for when a computer is being used. It would be handy for those that are developing, testing, and assessing, chess engines.

Such alternate account would be flagged as computerised and have some identification such as the chess engine name, chess engine version, and the hardware upon which it operating.

You can't say no to CC!!


I explained why something like that would not work. For one, no one would play you. And second there will never be a second acount system.

3rd April 2009, 02:52pm
#88
by Baseballfan
Durham, North Carolina United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1850

Cheating in chess is an issue that Chess.com takes seriously. That said, it has minimal impact on the site and shouldn't be a concern for 99.9% of players. Unfortunately, there is much more paranoia about the topic than it actually deserves. Also, having several constant and redundant threads on the topic that circulate with the same questions and comments over and over again isn't helpful, and instead causes people to worry more than they need to. We have posted FAQs below that should address all questions on the topic. We have posted the Chess.com FAQs and policies http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chesscom-policy-on-cheating ">here.
 
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