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Thoughts on Fischer doc on HBO


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #1

    JasonT2

    Very interesting but his life was kind of sad.  What did everyone think?  For those of you that know more about him, did you think it was accurate and a fair portrail?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #2

    JasonT2

    Bump**  So did anybody even see it?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #3

    Streptomicin

    I would, if it's not only for USA and UK.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #4

    GRODRIGUEZ

    I havent seen it, was thinking of getting HBO for just one day Cool

    However - did read Bobby "Fishcer goes to war" which I'm sure was better than the documentaty

     

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #5

    paulgottlieb

    It was a very good documentary, although certainly aimed at a general audience. And yes, the overall tone was quite sad

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #6

    goldendog

    I'd say it was a no-brainer for chess fans to see.

    Plenty of contemporary TV footage and pics even I had never seen before.

    Great stuff for those that care a bit about chess personalities and culture.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #7

    Skwerly

    I wrote down a few of my thoughts in my blog:  :)

     

    http://derekodomchess.blogspot.com/2011/06/bobby-fischer-leave-him-alone.html

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #8

    Ry888

    Just watched it today. Yeah it was kinda sad.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #9

    Estragon

    I recorded it on my Free HBO weekend a couple weeks ago, but haven't watched yet.  Will try to do so soon and update.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #10

    NimzoRoy

    I saw it and thought it was very good and pretty accurate, HBO came up with a lot of footage of the great man himself in interviews and news clips, and they also spoke to close personal acquaintances of Fischer. I also noticed on HBO coming attractions another Fischer documentary - about the big megillah over his will!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #11

    diogens

    Estragon wrote:

    I recorded it on my Free HBO weekend a couple weeks ago, but haven't watched yet.  Will try to do so soon and update.


    Could you upload it to YT for all of us to enjoy?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #12

    NimzoRoy

    GRODRIGUEZ wrote:

    I havent seen it, was thinking of getting HBO for just one day

    However - did read Bobby "Fishcer goes to war" which I'm sure was better than the documentaty

    That's really heart-warming to know you can tell a book is better than a documentary you haven't seen - I've seen the documentary and read the book "BF Goes to War" and the book ISN'T better if mostly focuses on the 1972 World CH whereas the HBO documentary covers Bobby's entire life

    On the other hand the HBO documentary isn't "better" than the book since the book and documentary do not have the same focus: even though they are both about Bobby Fischer, the book focuses on the 1972 World CH and the HBO documentary focuses on his entire life.

     

     


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #13

    GRODRIGUEZ

    NimzoRoy wrote:
    GRODRIGUEZ wrote:

    I havent seen it, was thinking of getting HBO for just one day

    However - did read Bobby "Fishcer goes to war" which I'm sure was better than the documentaty

    That's really heart-warming to know you can tell a book is better than a documentary you haven't seen - I've seen the documentary and read the book "BF Goes to War" and the book ISN'T better if mostly focuses on the 1972 World CH whereas the HBO documentary covers Bobby's entire life

    On the other hand the HBO documentary isn't "better" than the book since the book and documentary do not have the same focus: even though they are both about Bobby Fischer, the book focuses on the 1972 World CH and the HBO documentary focuses on his entire life.

     

     



     

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #14

    musicalhair

    I enjoyed it a lot.  I think, upon further reflection, it shows just how dependant his chess legacy is on those that were there for him.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #15

    diogens

    Bobby Fischer was an agonic creature. He made me love chess. Tks

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #16

    Estragon

    Okay, I watched it.  I found it interesting enough to pause it any time I needed to refill my glass, feed my livestock, or take a bathroom break.  All in all, a good and well-balanced documentary.

    It included a lot from Fischer's few close friends, especially Larry Evans and Tony Saidy, Benson the photographer he liked and a few others, Dick Cavett, clips of interviews by Mike Wallace and Johnny Carson, but also a few quacks who have little credibility but didn't say anything too implausible here (I won't name them to avoid inviting lawsuits). 

    It is made for a general audience, there is little that one would need to be a true player to understand, and no details of games or analysis (except for showing the Spassky move Fischer missed in the 1st WC game). 

    The only thing I object to is near the end when several people, including Kasparov, compare Fischer to Morphy as having suffered similar breakdowns.  This is just not true.  Fischer had long showed signs of mental problems (the documentary covered that, too) from very early in his career, as a young teenager, which progressed over time.

    Morphy never showed anything like that as a player.  His breakdown came after he retired, and was only chess-related in that his frustration with being considered a chessplayer contributed to it.  Neither was Morphy driven to play chess - remember he only consented to play in the US Chess Congress and subsequently to tour Europe because he had passed the Louisiana Bar Exam at 18 years of age, but state law required attorneys be 21 to practice.  He was the scion of a moderately wealthy family and had three years to kill, so he played chess.  Then he went home to practice law, and wasn't taken seriously because of his notoriety.  So chess indirectly contributed to his deterioration after the fact, but the cases are only similar in that both were Americans, chess champions of dominating strength, and had mental problems.

    Off my soapbox, I spent more time debunking the notion that the film spends suggesting it.

    Recommended, but not something you "must" see. 

    And no, I won't upload it as it is a copyrighted work and I am not a thief.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #17

    Gizmodeus

    I could have done without seeing Fischer in the shower.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #18

    Ry888

    @Gizmodeus: yeah that part was awkward, haha
  • 24 months ago · Quote · #19

    eddysallin

     Listen fisher and morphy had a mental  pathology that gave rise to great chess,alas over time the demons take control and " that is pretty much that '-------- in the end balance is needed........or kaput!

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #20

    fyy0r

    Gizmodeus wrote:

    I could have done without seeing Fischer in the shower.


    What, you didn't like the Fischer booty!? I really wish I could just see the entire stock footage of him playing chess though and speaking his thoughts, like the clip in the very beginning, that part was VERY interesting. Regardless, there was alot of new footage I haven't seen which was refreshing.


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