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15th November 2007, 12:52am
#1
by rvmurali24
chennai India
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 59

 

Recently I have won two games by Time out, But the game was on very interesting stage and evenly poised. I was eagrly opened my games found that i have won with Time out. I was disappointed as my opponant. Than we share our views. theoutcome of our views sharing were as follows:

1) Either there should be a provision that we should start the gane where i/he lost the game.(as a new game ) or..

2) Time out should be claimed by the opponant. ( that is If my opponant is timeout, i should be given a option to claim or deny the time out result.

sothat sometime to upkeep the spirit the game .

Your views please !!!


15th November 2007, 01:40am
#2
by archerfish123
Hertfordshire United Kingdom
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 94
I think there should defiately be an option where a timeout can be revoked - but this would have to be something that both players want to do. i.e. both plays would need to confirm that they wanted to re-continue the game.
15th November 2007, 02:03am
#3
by cianlloyd
Pontypridd, South Wales Wales
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 104

That is a very valid point i have won several games on time now when i would much rather have played them out even if it meant losing.

So an option like when your offered a draw would be a very good idea.


15th November 2007, 02:15am
#4
by NM Reb
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 7857
When you over-step the time control/limit in any chess game I think you "forfeit" the game. I dont believe the winning player has a choice/say in the matter. We choose our time controls here and if you have trouble with 3 days then try 5....it goes up to 2 weeks per move?!
15th November 2007, 02:45am
#5
by LuigiBotha
East London South Africa
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 77

I agree with Reb, I recently lost 6 games due to time out. I just adjusted my games to 3 days and still play at the same pace as before only it gives me more room for eventualities. 

Don't complicate matters, there is enough disagreement allready with etiquette type issues.

Perhaps a facility to continue the game as a non-rated friendly if both agree might be a solution?


15th November 2007, 02:51am
#6
by justin16
Ga United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 24
                And I also agree , time limits are a part of the game . Lets leave them that way.
15th November 2007, 02:52am
#7
by LuigiBotha
East London South Africa
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 77

On the issue of ratings it would further complicate the rating system.

A player who played a gentleman who agreed to continue on time out compared to another player whos opponent refuse to continue after time out.  The first player gets a "second " chance at his game where the next player did not.

I am sure this situations would skew the accuracy of the ratings further.


15th November 2007, 05:23am
#8
by xbigboy
Minnesota United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2936
Further?
15th November 2007, 05:41am
#9
by Ziryab
Spokane, Washington United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 3623
Reb wrote: When you over-step the time control/limit in any chess game I think you "forfeit" the game. I dont believe the winning player has a choice/say in the matter. We choose our time controls here and if you have trouble with 3 days then try 5....it goes up to 2 weeks per move?!

 FIDE Rule 6.9

A flag is considered to have fallen when the arbiter observes the fact or when either player has made a valid claim to that effect.

 

If we think of the site's programming as the arbiter, then the automatic timeout is consistent with FIDE rules.

  

I must say that I consider repugnant the idea of playing beyond the time control in any rated game by mutual agreement of the players. On the other hand, I do it all the time in casual games--the sort where I and my opponents often demand take-backs for the other, and there is a general context of kibitzing. In training games and fun games, there is a mutual exploration of openings, combinations, endgames, and the truth of the position (often even when the game started as a five minute skittles contest). In rated play, rules are enforced for the good of the game.
15th November 2007, 05:43am
#10
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4945
Reb wrote: When you over-step the time control/limit in any chess game I think you "forfeit" the game. I dont believe the winning player has a choice/say in the matter.

This isn't quite true. In FIDE and USCF rules the winning player must claim his win. If he fails to claim his win, the game goes on. Of course, he can claim his win at any time up until his opponent reaches the next time control, unless of course he is checkmated. I doubt though, that in a tournament game a player would continue to play just because they game was interesting, this is unique to casual play where there are virtually no stakes.


15th November 2007, 05:50am
#11
by Ziryab
Spokane, Washington United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 3623
Loomis wrote: Reb wrote: When you over-step the time control/limit in any chess game I think you "forfeit" the game. I dont believe the winning player has a choice/say in the matter.

This isn't quite true. In FIDE and USCF rules the winning player must claim his win. If he fails to claim his win, the game goes on.


 See the post above yours where the FIDE rule is quoted. I should say also, as a tournament director, that I have personally stopped games where I have observed a fallen flag. The tournament will not be delayed by the stubborn ignorance of two players. USCF rules permit the director to intervene in such matters, although they seem to support only the declaring of a draw, not a win.

 

Perhaps there is a small but significant difference between FIDE and USCF on this point. 


16th November 2007, 09:09pm
#12
by Reservesmonkey
Azerbaijan
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 344
Unrated games are the way to go if you don't have the stomach for time out wins. Person doesn't return to the game, they lose, you win, too bad, so sad.
28th February 2008, 11:07pm
#13
by erik
Bay Area, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 12891

we have now made it so that if you DONT want to automatically claim a timeout win, you can change that in your settings here: http://www.chess.com/home/echess_settings.html

(see the Auto-Win on Time checkbox)


29th February 2008, 03:10am
#14
by rvmurali24
chennai India
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 59
That's fantastic stuff Eric, Thankyou,...
29th February 2008, 04:05am
#15
by God2
Malaysia
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1084
you should thank you to your opponent,he let you win and happy
29th February 2008, 04:36am
#16
by TimH
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 1
rvmurali24 wrote:

1) Either there should be a provision that we should start the gane where i/he lost the game.(as a new game ) or..


 If you both want to carry on where you left off, agree a time to meet online, and simply run through the exact same moves to the point you were at, and carry on. But remember to set a longer time per move this time. Wink


 

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