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I like that above saying. I was given a win because my opponent never started the second game in a match game. Winning like that isn't fun at all.
"T'is Better to Have Played a Chess Game and Lost, Than Getting a Win and Not Have Played At All."
Maybe in a tournament it's okay to get a win by forfeit when you play five or six games.
That is how I feel. How do you guys feel?
How about a forfeit when your opponent keels over in the middle of the game?
Too much pressure from your great moves--ya gotta feel good about that.
He must have keeled over from something else, not my moves.
Besides, how would we know he keeled over?
Then I would feel bad that happened to him/her.
Is there a button that can be pushed?
Not the one that older people push:
"I fell down, I can't get up."
I think perception has a lot to do with it. I am a very hopeful person so even when I am pretty much getting blasted i still have hope because each move brings me a bit more in tune with what chess and life are all about and what i will discover. Soetimes my friends tell me to abandon a game cause i messed up in the beginning and they know cause I am a bit frustrated or whatever...but then I retaliate and say NEVER....I will continue to uncover human traits..like mistakes! Although, if you want to look at the destination I usually lose... but it's the getting there that counts.
Well if you're playing someone like 1000 points below you wouldn't really want to lose would you?
Hey, that's no forfeit, the game is on - either he moves on his own or his clock keeps running!
But unplayed forfeits are always distasteful. It's not that I mind the point, it's just that part of participating in an event is looking forward to playing the games. Catching a forfeit feels like being cheated out of the play of the game.
But the real fault lies with those who forfeit. There is really no excuse, and some organizers penalize them or demand a "security deposit" for future events to ensure they play out their schedule. People worry about greetings and "gg" but forfeiting is the rudest thing you can do in chess - after showing up, making one move, and then leaving your clock to run down.
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Thank you for all the readers and those of you that posted comments.
I used to run a scholastic city tournament for kids ages 7 through 12 years old, in two divisions. Almost in every event I would get one or two kids that would drop out before the first game or second game and I had it set up to give a full point win. Also they were considered in the tie breakers.
Sometimes I had a player waiting in the wings to play the bye point winner. If two players dropped out the bye winners would play each other. That was so that they would get to play all their games.
Most of the drops was because they were afraid to play in the tournament and would cry because it was the parents idea for them to play.
I agree with the OP's statement. If chess was just about winning a lot less people would play it. If you knew you were going to win every game would you still play? Maybe if it was against human players as you would probably be world champion; take instead the example of playing against a computer - few people entertain the thought of beating Houdini but still play it. To learn, to be entertained or maybe just because they are trying something out. Playing also against a friend at home, would you want to win every game and crush that friend? Or would you just like to enjoy playing them and win a few each? Apart from all this, I have learned some things from the games I have won but far more from the ones I have lost.
HERE IS PLENTY:
Your logic sound good, but I try to play every game to win. Except when I play with my grandsons or the kids I teach in the after school program.
I have learned patience from the moves that I have blundered. I tend to respond immediately, then I regret not waiting to make sure that is the right move.
In team matches where the time to move is 3 or 5 days I am abrupt. I started writing myself notes.
Slow down. Wait at least a day before you move.
I play with my four grown sons but I still play to win. When family members play other games they play to destroy me. They do and there's happines in the air.
That is why I never play RISK. All my family will attack me until I am the first one out.
Happened to me in a Hearts tournament. I was an unknown and the tournament was divided into two parts. They were reading the scores and I was in first and way ahead of others. These were seasoned players and they could hardly believe. [I was an unknown] I had come in first on 3 games out of 3.
Then the next round I played a table and they all ganged up on me an d eliminated me when I did not come in first.
Same as in your risk game. By the way the trophies in that Hearts game were unbelievable 4 foot high!
If you were first after 3 games. Then you had to play the other strongest ones. Too bad.
By the way I have heard the "HEARTS" mentioned before. What is that? I am not familiar with it.
Thank for reading and the comment.
I certainly wouldn't complain if I was in a tournament with prize money, and by some miracle every single one of my games was won by default for some reason.
That said, it is definitely more fun and more educational to play a full game, and I don't 'wish' for default wins. I just don't look a gift horse in the mouth when I get them.
Hearts is a card game. The object is to play and NOT win points. You get a point for each heart you take and 13 points for the Q of S if you take that.
At first you get a 13 card hand and can pass 3 of your cards to the next person and of course you get 3 cards from someone else.
then 2 clubs is lead and high card takes. more complicated than this but it is a start of an explanation.
I have played Hearts although not in tournaments. In Scotland we also call it Chase the Lady or Chase the Biatch, depending on how polite the company is. I think you also get it on the computer.
I noticed my 12 year old son playing hearts on his computer as he lost his regular connection. I gave him some advice and his game really improved and he was winning and doing well.
But of course when he got connection he went back to his other games.
He also has a natural talent for chess and understands my 15 minute games pretty well but with all the other games at his disposal he does not play chess.
Hearts is a card game.
I thought we were talking CHESS.
I know the hearts. No wonder they could gang up on you.
They can't gang up on chess. Except as Fisher claimed that the Russians used to do and draw games to stack who would win.
I have war stories also. But this is a chess post.
BACK TO CHESS and WINNING A GAME WITH A FORFEIT.
chess doesn't have anything to do with life. this silly business has gone too far. I find it annoying when people think they are going to discover the meaning of life or some other kind of profound enlightenment via a chess game. this is ridiculous. you can learn profound things about chess (and psychology if it's amateurs playing), but you are not going to become a bhodisattva or some nonsense through playing a chess game. understood? good.
also all these sayings that go something like "it's better to have blah blah than to not have blah blah" are bs. usually stated when people can't confront the reality of a certain situation---rationalizations, justifications, psychological defense mechanisms.
such sayings are particularly inappropriate within a context of ambush and non-consent. being that person didn't want, intend, or mean to do blah blah in the freaking first place, rather they were coerced and/or ambushed, or both, in some manner.
happy to clear up all this confusion. you can thank me in advance.
1) I agree, though, though as a card-carrying "girl" I'd have put it more gently. If you're looking for life lessons, face it, Chess has a pretty limited selection available. Why not just file chess under "recreational activities that keep me out of trouble while I'm resting my brain from the mental activities necessary for daily survival." (Catchy title, huh?)
2) In the same vein, I'm real skeptical about claims that chess will maintain your fading mental faculties --- but think of it that way if it floats your boat. (Note: anything that prevents clinical depression Does reduce loss of mental accuity; depression shrinks the hippocampus. So if chess makes you Happy, do it!)
3) Am concerned about a warp in the space-time continuum, kenpo. By the time I read that I could thank you "in advance," it was already too late! I'd already read your comment. I'll think about that and get back to you before I do.
4) Hey, Denver! Back to the topic is a reasonable request: My personal reaction to getting a tournament win by forfeit would be a clear, resounding exclamation of "Oh, well." If I were working with kids, it would be way different. They're still learning basic life lessons about responsibility and courage and teamwork (the fact that it's chess is irrelevant). Me? I wouldn't let the little buggers get away with it!
Mother in law:
I am losing a game agains another Geezer and I am posting it at the Geezer site.
Maybe I will resign like a gentleman before the death moves over and takes my chess game.
You know how to make one great forum :D
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