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I think some people like to classify chess as a "mind-sport" as it is competitive, and apart from the physical side of things it is quite similar in many other respects to activities which fit the more traditional definition of sport being to do with physical skill and ability, in that it is competitive, there are organised competitions, and the ability to play chess well is a skill in which levels of excellence are needed and there is (hopefully) a level of sportsmanship.
Chess is certainly not a traditional style sport, given that the old-accepted definition of sport does involve physical ability. Trying to argue that moving pieces with hands is a bit of a weak argument in my opinion. You may as well say breathing is a sport.
However, the definition of sport has changed over time, activities that are not physically difficult but use other skills are more readily accepted as a sport simply because they are played at a competitive level, which leads to many arguments like the one here, such as is darts a sport, or are beauty contests sport, radio-controlled car racing? etc etc.
As often is the case, I think its mostly due to the evolution of language and what words mean. Language does change over time, despite some hating this and wanting to try to deny it or fight it, it simply does change. So whether you want to see chess as a sport at the moment really comes down to what you want to see "sport" as. I think the more interesting thing here is why are some people so desperate to class chess as sport, which is a much more complex issue, but much more likely to cause arguments. Given that a simple definition of a word can cause such heated exchanges, I don't think I'll even try to go in to that one here.
I started reading this thread thinking chess was a sport, but also thinking it imposssible to prove. Now I know that chess is a sport, no matter what anyone else says. If darts and RC cars can be sports (and I consider them to be) then chess can too. I think the IOC's definition is very good.
Chess, however is a game, just like Basketball, Hockey, Track and Field, where there is a definite winner or loser. Therefore it should be in the Olympics.
Tic tac toe, however is a game, just like Basketball, Hockey, Track and Field, where there is a definite winner or loser. Therefore it should be in the Olympics.
No, because also Tic Tac Toe, is not a game or sport that requires any skill. Chess does. Basketball does. While chess does not require physical skill (although the professional chess players may tell you that if you are physically fit it will help them succeed) It does require as much mental skill as any physical sport. Is pushing chess pieces any different, than a coach maneuvering players around a field to succeed in plays?
There should be an added stipulation in the OIC's definition that there must not be any forced win, draw, or other similar situation.
EDIT: Instead, an undefined stipulation that it must have some reason for it's inclusion. It should insure both the above and that it tests some aspect (either mental or physical) of the players. Just a rough draft idea. The one above is good already.
" I started reading this thread thinking chess was a sport, but also thinking it imposssible to prove. Now I know that chess is a sport, no matter what anyone else says."
hmmm. . . that doesn't make chess a sport; it makes chess a religion.
look back at my post. I edited it.
O so sorry. So we agree
Many chess players smell pretty bad anyhow, especially after spending two days in a playing hall drinking coffee and sweating, so I don't think this is a good determinant of whether the activity is sporty or not.
Hm... tennis was a popular sport before it was included in the Olympics, but still tennis players thought that it could be helpful.
Yeah, but really the net effect of tennis in the Olympics was to cheapen the latter; it's just another tournament, and not a particularly prestigious one at that (I actually had forgotten Nadal won gold at Beijing!)
Of course, chess at the Olympics is a different matter, and maybe it would be a positive thing. But, I would hazard a guess that the biggest effect of its inclusion would be in generating arguments about matchplay vs tournament formats
Well, I tend to agree that including tennis in the Olympics didn't do much for its popularization in countries like the US where it was already popular, but it might have in countries like China. Ten years ago when I was in China and I said that I play tennis, everyone asked "ping pong" ? Now, after the Beijing Olympics, I think most people would at least know what you are talking about.
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kick -en- schlap = kick and slap
A thought occured to me. Might it be possible to create a new category for chess and chess variants alone? I say this because I am certain that the outcome of any sport is dependent on the skill and accuracy of somehting physical( look at all the 'questionable' sports such as darts, curling, pool/snooker, bowling- they all still rely on a physical activity) but I'm justfiably unwilling to relegate chess to the same category as jumping jacks, monopoly and I spy.
is it in a league of its own? or is it closer to art, in the way that juggling is?
I know these thoughts are nothing new. Just felt to voice them.
Can I suggest "game"?
Yeah but games could be sports. Aren't football and tennis also games ? (Ie they are "played" ?)
Ahh, right, "Board Game" then?
chess is a many splendored thing...
chess is controlled blunder...and blunder aint sports
Of course sports is blunder. There are countless games where the outcome was determined by someone who missed the shot, or dropped the ball, or caused the interception or committed the foul, or retired...then unretired...then retired...etc., etc.
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