TOUCH-MOVE RULE

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9th February 2009, 07:04pm
#41
by KillaBeez
Kansas United States
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GrumpyComic wrote:

Also make sure that you touch your king first when castling. If you touch your rook your opponent has the right to force you to move your rook instead of castling.

Sit on your hands is good advice.

Slightly different, but similar, I often see players use the opposite hand to hit their clock after they move. This, as far as I am aware, is also against the rules as they should press clock with same hand that moved the piece.

Nit picking, I know, but rules are rules.


 According to USCF rules, you can touch your rook first when castling.  It is just considered improper.

10th February 2009, 01:47am
#42
by goldendog
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Which tournaments has the BCF sponsored that you played in that were non-touch-move?

10th February 2009, 02:39am
#43
by MM78
Ireland
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The BCF was the old name, the fact that Ireland, Scotland and Wales had their own federations was ignored for a long time, since 2005 the English Chess Federation controls official chess activities in England and the other countries have their own organisations.  The ECF is recognised by FIDE and operates under FIDE rules of course which insist on touch move. In any case the BCF even before 2005 operated under FIDE rules including touch move.

AMARU please go ahead and post the BCF rules you're talking about. And please let us know this club you play for and the competitions it plays in.

P.S. go ahead and look up the BCF website...tell me what they call themselves? (Hint, the first initial is E)

16th February 2009, 04:08am
#44
by EnGliSHCheSsPlAy
Italy Italy
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yeah...:))

16th February 2009, 04:12am
#45
by Wilio
Montreal Canada
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I always played using the following: You may touch a piece and move it and rethink twice but if you hands are removed from this piece when it's moved, you can't go back. Then again, I never played in a tournament.

16th February 2009, 05:24am
#46
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I always call people on touch move - and I have won games by doing so. If they are going to make mistakes, who are you to stop them?

16th February 2009, 09:43am
#47
by goldendog
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When adults compete seriously, it's touch move all the way.

16th February 2009, 10:17am
#48
by tarius78
Mississauga Canada
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sebas4life wrote:

I think it's a good rule, otherwise you can play psychological tricks with your opponent.


 As was recently discussed: chess is a mind game - therefore in games such as chess, there may be deception, which is deemed a good tactic, and hence 'tricks' or trickery. Since the game is one of the mindscape, then the psychological realm is fair game. It's like in poker when you reach for your chips and start counting them and 'make' like your just about to raise or call just to get a 'read' and to throw off your opononent- psychologically. This does not detract to these games, but adds a great dimension to them as well!

Though in chess one must rely primarily on the 'mechanics and mathematics' of the board, the live element to it is a distinguishing factor. That's why most true chess players, with the passion and at least modest to great skill, prefer OTB games. Factors such as confidence and intimidative determination come into play, and so do both sides of each players brain, as it were! Now that's a chess match for you!!

Basically, everyone should want to have 'a good game'. Such a game should be won with skill, not on techinicalities. A definite win is a most satisfying one. One mastered, and seen through to its glorious end. A good victory. Foolishness such as inturpreted over-adherence to techincalities of such trite rules which lead to nonsensical displays like that of the shortest master-level tournament game ever:

The match details invovled the white player to have tricked the black one to touch his king after 2. Qh5 was played, then forcing the arbitrator to enforce the touch move, which forces 2. ... Ke7??? and hence the loss.

Rediculous, and if there even can be cheating in OTB chess tourneys, then surely this should qualify!... An avoidable issue if the rule were applies more liberally and basically  - sensibly.

 

Hope I've made my point.

16th February 2009, 11:44am
#49
by EnGliSHCheSsPlAy
Italy Italy
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lol..incredible! I can't believe it...

16th February 2009, 11:48am
#50
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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If you dont like the touch move rule the best thing for you to do is to NOT play any tournaments. I have never played in a tournament that did NOT enforce the rule.

16th February 2009, 11:49am
#51
by EnGliSHCheSsPlAy
Italy Italy
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totally... but I didn't say that..

16th February 2009, 12:49pm
#52
by goldendog
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The whiners can organize a takeback tournament perhaps?

16th February 2009, 12:59pm
#53
by NM tonydal
United States
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Getting back to the OP (all those years ago...): "chess is a sport and this rule seems to be strict."

I think most sports are pretty strict about their rules. Tennis and bowling have foot faults, football (American) has false starts, baseball has balks. Etc.  You could look at all those things as being kinda picky, but they're an established part of each game.

17th February 2009, 01:04pm
#54
by EnGliSHCheSsPlAy
Italy Italy
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what's the OP?

17th February 2009, 04:41pm
#55
by thegab03
on the road to nowhere! Ireland
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I'm not sur bro, I think it means, " getting back to the point? " !

18th February 2009, 09:10am
#56
by EnGliSHCheSsPlAy
Italy Italy
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yeah right..thx gab!

20th February 2009, 01:19pm
#57
by EnGliSHCheSsPlAy
Italy Italy
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lol ok

20th August 2009, 08:22am
#58
by itsMEEHdude
Quezon City Philippines
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i agree Smile

20th August 2009, 09:13am
#59
by rooperi
Pretoria South Africa
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Slightly off topic, but in the same ballpark...

Does touch move apply on pawn promotion, could you pick up a queen, then change your mind and take a knight instead?

Often players nominate the the chosen piece on promotion, eg they play pawn to e8, and say "queen" is this nomination binding?

20th August 2009, 09:35am
#60
by goldendog
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rooperi wrote:

Slightly off topic, but in the same ballpark...

Does touch move apply on pawn promotion, could you pick up a queen, then change your mind and take a knight instead?

Often players nominate the the chosen piece on promotion, eg they play pawn to e8, and say "queen" is this nomination binding?


 USCF rules say that when the promoted piece is released and the clock punched then the move is complete.

The rules also say to contact the td if no appropriate piece is immediately available. I don't see anything about verbally designating a piece for the promoted pawn, in fact they say that if the pawn is left on the square with no replacement the opponent merely starts the clock of the promoting player. There is also mentioned the oft-used provisional upside-down rook (for a queen) as acceptable but I suppose it could stand in for a knight or bishop as well. I suppose once the piece is declared in those circumstances with the upside-down rook that any verbal designation would be final.


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