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What should I do if someone is a bad sport?


  • 14 months ago · Quote · #81

    L7live12

    just ignore him and move on

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #82

    42FlamingZombies

    Ronald_Aprianto wrote:

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    An original ID, if eligible:
    1. Avatar should be a personal photo of the owner;
    2. Name of account holder must use the real name instead of an alias or a pseudonym
    3. The user account is connected to at least one social networking site account is also wearing his original ID

    4. etc....................

    Note:
    Please, add other requirements!


    My daughter is on this site and she is forbidden to use her real name or put a pic up of herself as well as no other personal info - having peoples real ID's on here opens it up for stalkers, pedophiles and identity theives. I would never join a place that demanded that of me and not to mention most kids don't have "official" ID's till they are 16  - 18. I have dealt with internet stalkers and have helped others as well and it is no picnic. You will also find that on sites that do demand "real" IDs there is still flaming and assanine posts because the prevelant attitude is - so what they will never find me. - There should be rules on what behavior is allowed on a site and those adhered to. I run a group and if people can't adhere to the rules regarding respect or anything else then they are booted plain and simple.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #83

    Ronald_Aprianto

    42FlamingZombies wrote:

    My daughter is on this site and she is forbidden to use her real name or put a pic up of herself as well as no other personal info - having peoples real ID's on here opens it up for stalkers, pedophiles and identity theives. I would never join a place that demanded that of me and not to mention most kids don't have "official" ID's till they are 16  - 18. I have dealt with internet stalkers and have helped others as well and it is no picnic. You will also find that on sites that do demand "real" IDs there is still flaming and assanine posts because the prevelant attitude is - so what they will never find me. - There should be rules on what behavior is allowed on a site and those adhered to. I run a group and if people can't adhere to the rules regarding respect or anything else then they are booted plain and simple.

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    I agree with you about "There should be rules on what behavior is allowed on a site and those adhered to." Let's hope it can be a serious concern of the chess.com managers. However, the use of original ID is vulnerable to cybercrime, thus the site manager should think about a policy that is able to eliminate the irresponsible attitude of the users who are protected by the pseudonym ID. 

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #84

    42FlamingZombies

    cleocamy wrote:
    Not resigning in hopeless situations is dispicable. In my opinion, you are teaching your daughter to be a bad person. Before anyone gets bent out of shape about that, understand that it is not an indictment of anyones morals, motives or intentions, just introducing a possibilty that may have been unwittingly overlooked. "

    Woah - beacuse a child does not understand chess yet and is learning - QxN wanting her to understand it is "teaching her to be a bad person"??? What a load of utter rubbish!!

    "Namely, what if she extends that kind of thinking to other aspects of life? Burglers hold out for an unlocked window. Pickpockets hold out for the easily distracted. Fraudsters hold out for catching someone mentally or emotionally enfeebled. In short, people who go through life counting on the lapses of others tend to be criminals and other unsavory types. No more on that.'

    First women hold out for the right man, Baseball hitters hold out for the right pitch, home buyers hold out for the right house, people in general hold out for the right movie before they go to the theatre - I could go on and on - but we are NOT talking about "holding out" QxN is talking about having his daughter follow something through to the end so she can learn when she does not need to follow it through and can resign.

    I would hope this child does use it in other parts of her life. You obviously don't understand how children learn - a child must understand consequences of an action or inaction before they decide to do anything. Your examples are irrelivant. As we are looking at teaching a child why they should not continue to play out a game by arming with the knowledge that they are gunna get their butt kicked no matter what they do and it is then best to resign as there is nothing left in that game. Once the chess newbie learns that then they can resign with knowledge. ( BTW a newbie such as this is not "counting on the lapses of others" they are learning about a game in a supposedly safe environment - and your comment "people who go through life counting on the lapses of others tend to be criminals and other unsavory types" - is also incorrect - yes many criminals do depend upon this but there are many more professions that count on it as well - Poloticians, Car Salesmen, Door to door salesmen, many white collered workers in large corperations working their way up the ladders, lawyers, police, telemarketers, diet companies, real estate agents, advertising agencies and many many more. Again not all the people in these companies/positions wait for other peoples lapses but many many of them do - many more than criminals.)

    "We've heard it said that there is no rule against not resigning. Untrue. The same rules apply that should keep you from taking a dump in the street or having sex with a dead animal. No those things don't get explicit treatment under the rules of chess as does en passant or castling. They aren't even explicitly treated in civil or criminal codes. When such things occur they are censured as "disorderly conduct" Refusal to resign is one type of chess related disorderly conduct."

    Again in your attempt at shock value you have used totally irrelivant examples. To take one of your examples and stretch it to try to show you the differance - a toddler is not charged with anything nor his/her parents if they "take a dump in the streets" - why? because they don't understand why they shouldn't hmmmmmm and a chess newbie at any age if they don't resign - should we judge them the same as an experienced player when they have not learned the reasons to or not to resign? Or should we *gasp* teach them through letting them learn what a non winning position is????

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #85

    Estragon

    Again, no one is entitled to superimpose their own concepts of how the game ought be played to the actual rules. 

    If the "frustration" of playing out a simple mating sequence causes one great stress, chess is probably not the game for you.  Perhaps children's soccer as it is played in some places, with no score kept.  Everyone gets a snack at the end no matter how well or poorly they played - as long as they played nice and did not mistreat or taunt the opponents.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #86

    DefinitelyNotGM

    You never win a game by resigning

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #87

    QueenTakesKnightOOPS

    cleocamy wrote:

     Gpod has said he likes to play games out & is obviously on a learning curve I'm not going to judge him for that.


    In that case, I'll judge him for it instead. Not resigning in hopeless situations is dispicable. In my opinion, you are teaching your daughter to be a bad person.

    I can't let this one pass by without a response since my parenting has been questioned. Most Parents would be incensed by such an accusation but I'm not most Parents so let's just apply a bit of logic to it.

    I'm teaching my daughter to play Chess & part of playing Chess is knowing when to resign. Resignation is not a 1 rule fits all situation. As I mentioned in a previous post Donald Byrne elected not to resign to Bobby Fischer in the “Game of the Century” No-one complained about that. If anything it was a mark of respect to allow a 13 year old to demonstrate his skill to the fullest extent & it has given us a Game that will be replayed for many years to come.

    My daughter will learn the appropriate time to resign as she becomes more proficient at the game. At the moment she has moved from opening basics to the middle game & mating patterns. How is she expected to learn if she resigns as soon as she loses a couple of pawns or a minor piece? The same can be said about endgames when she reaches that part, she will need practice & with practice comes good judgment.

    To say that I am teaching her to be a bad person is akin to saying if I let her have a glass of wine to celebrate her 16th birthday she will end up drinking cheap wine by the gallon, injecting heroine & living under a bridge, its not realistic & a bad analogy.

    While I'm on the subject of kids & Internet Chess we have a few basic rules in our house. There is no unsupervised Internet access, no personal info is put on profiles or Social Networking sites & Chat is kept disabled at all times. I have been on the Internet since 1993, in the late 90's my wife & I shut down a couple of child porn sites by hacking their IP's & reporting it to Interpol Child abuse. The Child porn people have got too smart for that now but we know what is out there & how dangerous it can be.

    So when our daughter is playing live Chess there is always an adult nearby & she knows to ask if she is unsure about anything..... like “Should I resign now or play on”

    My personal philosophy on resignation is that I will always resign when the position is clearly lost & my opponent has demonstrated the ability to play out the win. In live Chess I have resigned purely to give my opponent a clear win rather than me losing out on time trying to fight out a lost position. For me that is giving my opponent due respect for his ability.

    For beginners the ability for someone to play out a win is almost always in question, how many times have we seen the winner being the one who makes the fewest blunders when 2 beginners face off across the Chess board?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #88

    periodmilk

    you like that babi

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #89

    Backwardking

    Honestly, I think you both were acting like idiots.

    Understand, I don't criticize you for wanting to play on because that is your right whether the time control is a 2 minute bullet match or a 7 day per move correspondence game.

    At the same time...if you see your opponent can mate in 2 and you see that your opponent is aware he can mate in 2, then what more could you possibly learn from continuing to play that game? And what more could you possibly gain that is significant enough to warrant the extra time and effort spent?

    And as for your opponent, he was acting foolish as well. Your opponent was angry at you because he felt you were wasting time, right? Well if that was the case, then why on earth would he willing to waste MORE time by refusing to execute his 2 move checkmate? Why would he get angry at you for extending the game (or in your case: beating a dead horse), and then respond by extending the game even more than you ever could?

    If that game of yours was a contest in spite or stupidity, then I think your opponent would have won (barely).

    But I think if you're going to continue to do strange things like play on in an unwinnable mate in 2 situation under typical correspondence chess time controls, then you better develop some really thick and tough skin. Sure you definitely have the right the play on in that situation, but I can assure you the opponent you spoke of would not be the last person you'll piss off during a chess game.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #90

    QueenTakesKnightOOPS

    Let me pose a question on when to resign.

    Here is a game I played a few weeks ago

    1/- e4, c5

    2/- Qh5, d6

    3/- Bc4, g6

    4/- Qe5 White resigns before I could respond.

    So was this resignation justified?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #91

    Gpod

    I don't mind just disabling chat on games that are not with friends.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #92

    Lou-for-you

    Just behave well yourself and you will be ok.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #93

    LoveYouSoMuch

    bongcloudftw wrote:

    lol are you talking to me about my competitive chess level with your excellent rating? my first time at competitive chess? 

    people who don't resign in a lost position (if they are 1500 or above) against me will end up being ground down by 6 knights. this situation only happened in once in a long game. everyone else resigned when they are in a lost position.

    back to situation: gpod played out a totally lost position (bare king) before the mate in 2. in turn based games you know how frustrating it can be for the opponent?

    if there was checkmate out of a combination in the middlegame you should do it instead of grinding the opponent yeah i agree. however if the opponent is fighting with a bare king (in turn based or standard) then it's reasonable to do the torturing.

    p.s. your live rating is 1031 so you are forgiven. i've been too harsh, but i've mentioned before the case doesn't apply to beginners (your level)

    to be fair, he doesn't have even 10 games in the site. anyway, this thread is being highly entertaining, people arguing about subjectivities, and now the subject of personal IDs somehow crept in~ hihihi

    people have the right to play whatever legal moves they want to, in whatever remaining time they have left. whether they are going to get disapproving looks for that is another matter, and usually one of common sense, though it can heavily vary from person to person...

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #94

    robotjazz

    This entire situation is stupid because no one has even mentioned the conditional moves option. If it was really a mate in 2 like the op said then the winning party should have just plugged in conditional moves and been done with it. And it's not like the losing party went "on vacation" in the cc game-that is a frustrating thing, he just wanted  to play the game of chess to the end for whatever misguided reason. But the bigger of the idiots is the one that didnt seal the deal. Money Mouth

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #95

    Backwardking

    QueenTakesKnightOOPS wrote:

    Let me pose a question on when to resign.

    Here is a game I played a few weeks ago

    1/- e4, c5

    2/- Qh5, d6

    3/- Bc4, g6

    4/- Qe5 White resigns before I could respond.

    So was this resignation justified?


    Well, of course the resignation is (to use your word) "justified". If people (as LoveYouSoMuch said) "have the right to play whatever legal moves they want to, in whatever remaining time they have left," then they also have the right to resign whenever they so choose.

    I think the real question you're trying to pose is whether or not your opponent resigned too soon. The answer to that question imho is "very very unlikely".

    I mean I don't see the point in continuing such a game UNLESS some special circumstance is present such as he being an absolute beginner, you being an absolute beginner, you only having 30 seconds left to win the game, you being on the verge of cardiac arrest, him spotting you a queen because he's a GM, etc.

    Of course all of this is subjective, but I wouldn't be surprised if the view I described would be the general opinion about that particular case.


    Now let me pose this question: What is a better use of time? Waiting to see if you'll return the blunder? Or assuming you'll play the best move and thus deciding to moving on to analysis, study, or playing another game?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #96

    QueenTakesKnightOOPS

    @Basilman

    You are correct of course. All things being equal White should resign after what must have been a blunder. I assume he intended to play Qd5 lining up on Blacks f7 pawn. But we are not computers & that's the good thing about Chess no matter how many books we read & how much we analyze an opening the human element still comes into play.

    So what really happened? Well after Whites elegant attempt at a Queen sacrifice black declines to accept it & plays 5/- ....., Bg7!! offering a stunning counter sacrifice of a Bishop, Rook & a couple of pawns. At this point black would have resigned.

    Ok, so this is starting to look like a bad TV game of Chess. I was slightly distracted by a shout of “Fire!” from our kitchen & without really looking at the board I played Bg7 to kick the Queen & ran for the fire extinguisher. When I returned my move had not been accepted & White had resigned. There must have been a couple of seconds lag in the system & Whites resignation went through before my brilliant Bg7 move made it to the server. So if White had waited 1 move to see my response he would have won the game. Does it really matter? No it just demonstrates that almost anything can happen in Chess & if you play long enough you will see some weird stuff.

    The game looks like a couple of kids who have just learned the moves & if it was I would have told them to play it out & learn to think about consequences before moving. For me it was just one of those weird things that happen from time to time. So as you asked, Whats the best use of time here? For you or I its a rematch or move onto the next opponent, for 2 absolute beginners its play it out & learn from it.

    The longer I stay on this thread the more I am convinced that we can never come up with a single rule for resignation ettiquette. Just respect your opponent & the Game. If your opponent refuses to resign in a hopeless position that's not a reason to abuse him. Just play it to Mate as quickly as you can. Try for a spectacular sacrifice & a smothered Mate if you like or just use it to sharpen up your Blitz game by moving quickly. Even for people who are getting out of the beginner phase they have to learn to finish a game, so there is another group who may benefit from playing it out rather than have their opponent resign.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #97

    Lou-for-you

    Good post by queentakesknight.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #98

    Backwardking

    You're right. No "resignation ettiquette" everyone agrees on exists because ettiquette (especially "chess ettiquette") is largely subjective. At the same time, I'm not naiive to the fact that many players would be angry at me if I decided to play on in a hopeless correspondance game.

    However I agree with you, I don't think refusing to resign in a hopeless position with a 5 days per time control is a reason to abuse someone. What I usually do against someone like that is program a forced mate with the conditional move function, and then I type out the sequence in the chat for my opponent to read. Whatever my opponent chooses to do next is his (or her) problem from that point forward.  

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #99

    QueenTakesKnightOOPS

    Another one from the archives of my previous chess life.

    How would you handle this situation? My old Chess club in a town of 25,000 in Australia was always struggling to get more players. A new guy turns up & the club Secretary greets him & has a chat. He then introduces him to me & asks if I'm free to give him a game. So we choose pawns & he gets white. We sit down at the board & he plays both the a & h pawns simultaneously 1 square. 1/- a3 h3

    So I'm staring at the board wondering if someone had spiked my coffee & trying to work out how to write it on the scoresheet. I don't think thats a legal move I offered. He said Oh yes it is, its played everywhere in Europe. Hmmm, new player, illegal move!! So I ask the Secretary if he has ever seen the move. He grabs the rule book & says its not in the FIDE rules. The new guy insists it is played world wide especially in his home village in Yugoslavia. He was becoming somewhat heated about it & I could see he genuinely believed it to be a legal move & it was going to end in a big argument if we refused to allow it. So keeping in mind that we were a small club desperately in need of more members how do we handle the situation? I'll post what we did after everyone has a chance to comment but it does have some relevancy to this thread as it could have rapidly degenerated into an abusive shouting match.

    Also has anyone ever seen that move or know its origin? The explanation behind it was that it could only be played by White & only on the 1st move, 2 pawns moving 1 square = 1 pawn moving 2 squares!


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