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  • 20 months ago · Quote · #1

    NimzoRoy

    If you were pretty sure (or better yet, positive) that drawing a tnmt game would insure you getting into the next rd of the tnmt, would you do so even if you lost some rating pts in doing so? I'm wondering if playing hard to win is worth the effort if it cuts into my thinking time the rest of my games; on the other hand, since we're not playing for cash prizes it seems to me that rating pts are about the only reward that matters - aside from finishing 1st, 2nd or 3rd for a trophy. And yes, not cheating and trying play well matter too!

    As a related question, is there any rule vs "GM draws" here ie will chess.com not recognize draws in games that haven't reached x number of moves? I've never drawn a game in under 18 moves here - and my short draws actually looked drawish or at least dead = to me at any rate.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #2

    waffllemaster

    Well it seems to you there is more than just the rating.  You'd like to get into the next round right?

    I don't know what the site thinks about "grandmaster draws"

    I don't play in chess.com tournaments so I can't relate to the sentiment.  I've done a "GM draw" at a tournament once before, last round of the day and I was tired.  We played about 25 moves of a french exchange... exchange all the minors, and I offered my lower rated opponent a draw and he accepted.  I got to bed early that night.  I also ended up losing some rating points after the tourney was over.

    So anyway, if your opponent is lower rated you could try some tactic like that and no one can complain ;)

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #3

    karatekitte

    I would just play an opening that I know is reliable and see what happens. On the subject of GM draws I've gotten 2 in about 6 months of otb tnmt play.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #4

    Scottrf

    "I think a rule should be made where you must play at least 30 moves before you can offer a draw"

    How arbitrary.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #5

    Scottrf

    It is, but you can't make people play for a win if they don't want to. If they are forced to play further when they are in an equal position and both think it's drawn, all they do is a few equal trades and draw a few moves down the line.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #6

    Fear_ItseIf

    Frankiebones7983 wrote:

    I care very little about my chess rating. It's just a number that don't mean anything. I play to win, and I play to have fun. Those 10-20 move draws where nothing or next to nothing has been exchanged yet are lame in my opinion. I think a rule should be made where you must play at least 30 moves before you can offer a draw. (Not counting repetition or stale mate)

    I agree and disagree. 30 is way too high, the average chess game is like 25 moves, many games can get into endgames which at GM level will 99% be a draw unlesso one side makes a horrific blunder. 20 moves may be a possibility.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #7

    NimzoRoy

    FYI Here's my answer from the staff:

    It looks like this is usually determined by the competition according to FIDE laws of chess: The rules of a competition may specify that players cannot agree to a draw, whether in less than a specified number of moves or at all, without the consent of the arbiter.
    However on Chess.com there is no rule preventing a draw if 'x' number of moves haven't been made.

    THANKS to everyone else for replying, even though youse guyz hijacked my thread at least it's still an intelligible and interesting discussion!


  • 20 months ago · Quote · #8

    Estragon

    It depends!

    If qualifying for the next round is in any way in doubt, I wouldn't worry about it.  But I don't like early draws personally, so wouldn't be inclined for that reason.

    Online ratings are worth just as much as the cash prizes - which is to say, nothing, so they aren't worth worrying about. When I see people have meltdowns over losing a blitz game on time because it reflects on their online rating, I can only shake my head when I stop laughing hysterically.

     

    But philosophically I am against agreed draws where there is any play at all left in a position.  If it's f-g-h pawns on both sides and a Rook (or minor, or Queen) apiece, and no clear weakness to exploit, that's one thing.  Even middlegames with a board full of pieces, I decline draws on principle unless it clinches me a prize and I am unlikely to win anything bigger with a win.  So for online games, with nothing at stake, it needs to be a sterile position before I agree to a draw.

    And I have a rule I always follow unless I am the one with material superiority in a dead drawn ending:  I NEVER offer a draw. 

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #9

    Martin0

    Estragon wrote:

    It depends!

    If qualifying for the next round is in any way in doubt, I wouldn't worry about it.  But I don't like early draws personally, so wouldn't be inclined for that reason.

    Online ratings are worth just as much as the cash prizes - which is to say, nothing, so they aren't worth worrying about. When I see people have meltdowns over losing a blitz game on time because it reflects on their online rating, I can only shake my head when I stop laughing hysterically.

     

    But philosophically I am against agreed draws where there is any play at all left in a position.  If it's f-g-h pawns on both sides and a Rook (or minor, or Queen) apiece, and no clear weakness to exploit, that's one thing.  Even middlegames with a board full of pieces, I decline draws on principle unless it clinches me a prize and I am unlikely to win anything bigger with a win.  So for online games, with nothing at stake, it needs to be a sterile position before I agree to a draw.

    And I have a rule I always follow unless I am the one with material superiority in a dead drawn ending:  I NEVER offer a draw. 

    I pretty much agree and have about the same philosophy. I must admit though that I would pretty much always accept a draw when I get a draw offer in a worse position (unless I need to win and hope to turn things around).


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