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What will be the impact of chess being solved?


  • 12 months ago · Quote · #101

    AndyClifton

    None whatsoever (around here).

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #102

    ChessSponge

    It will be solved computer wise eventually. Since no human can memorize the ridiculously massive move trees that a computer will have solved it will continue to be played.

     

    But then again when you look at a lot of the top few GM games, how many of them end in draws already? The top tier human level of chess is already reaching areas where more and more draws happen. That is probably a bigger threat to the long term of chess then computers solving the game. If humans reach a level where the top tier player knowledge and calculation is so strong that almost every game is inevitably a draw, that would probably end it.

     

    Then I guess everyone would switch to go until that same level is reached.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #103

    karlwig

    Kingpatzer wrote:
    karlwig wrote:

    Haha yeah, I knew that article was an April's fools, I just meant that King's Gambit is refuted in general (no GM's play it anymore, it isn't considered optimal)

    So, in your opinion, Carlson, Ivanchuk, Polgar, Short, and Nakamura (all of whom have played KG's in the last year as white) are what if not GMs?

    Why are you so hostile? Obviously I didn't know this -- my apologies! Would appreciate if you would point me to these games, sounds interessting. 

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #104

    Kingpatzer

    karlwig wrote:
    Kingpatzer wrote:
    karlwig wrote:

    Haha yeah, I knew that article was an April's fools, I just meant that King's Gambit is refuted in general (no GM's play it anymore, it isn't considered optimal)

    So, in your opinion, Carlson, Ivanchuk, Polgar, Short, and Nakamura (all of whom have played KG's in the last year as white) are what if not GMs?

    Why are you so hostile? Obviously I didn't know this -- my apologies! Would appreciate if you would point me to these games, sounds interessting. 

    I'm not being hostile, I'm simply taking you at your word and asking the  logical follow-up question based on the premise of your claim.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #105

    theSicilianDragon

    Hi guys, I am currently working on a chess AI, from a machine learning background.  Here are some of my insights about chess being solved:

    Chess has on the order of 10^120 possible games.  Thus, it is nearly impossible to store or search these games.  There are ~10^81 atoms in the known universe (obviously, if the universe is infinite, there are many more atoms in the universe than 10^120, but we know of around 10^81, and this is a guess, but is still many orders of magnitude away from the number of possible chess games).  A corollary of this is that if we mined the entire known universe to produce storage drives, we would not be able to store enough information to solve chess (or even get close).  

    Most of the research in AI goes toward approximating correct behavior in real-time, so we can only hope to make computers better at chess than before, rather than trying to make computers completely solve chess.  Chess computers have surpassed grandmasters in power, but will never solve chess.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #106

    TheGrobe

    Still, there may be a weak solution available via quantum computing, but by no means would it mean anything to your everyday player.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #107

    zborg

    chrisr2212 wrote:

    the "known" universe!

    This refers mostly to the size of the universe, starting with the Big Bang, until the present.  Since the Big Bang doesn't "expand into a space" around it, but instead constitutes all the known universe itself, it's boundary constitutes the de facto edge of the known universe, according to the Standard Model, Guth's Inflationary Hypothesis, and the usual caveats to the Copehagen Consensus in Quantum Mechanics.

    Duh?  Or something like that.  @TheGrobe would know.

    No way could all the possible chess games be stored in our "known universe."  Not enough storage space, for sure.

    That's reason enough to go fishing, more often.  Laughing

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #108

    AndyClifton

    Boy, I'm sure glad there was fishing at the end of that one (it was getting pretty tedious).

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #109

    zborg

    Chess surely won't be solved in our lifetime.  So BEE Happy.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #110

    zborg

    Your games are spastic.  No disbelief intended.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #111

    zborg

    I think I'm safe.  No one hits on Flying Pigs.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #112

    bobbyDK

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  • 12 months ago · Quote · #113

    zborg

    Go Bi.  And you double your chances for getting dates.

    Exception for @BobbyDK.  He's a brother from another planet.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #114

    Kingpatzer

    @BobbyDK storage is one issue. Time is another.

    Let's presume you have an increadible, but still achievable number, of 100 million computers working on evaluating those positions, and they are chomping on 1,000,000 positions a second each. That's 100,000,000,000,000 positions a second being evaluated.

    That means you will need 10^107 seconds to "solve" chess.

    There are  6.108*10^9 seconds in a century. So in just a bit less than 10^100 centuries time, we'll have "solved" chess . . . once we fire up those 100 million computers . . .

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #115

    zborg

    I think I liked you better with your snorkle avatar.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #116

    Kingpatzer

    Ok, I'll put another scuba shot up ;)

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #117

    bobbyDK

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  • 12 months ago · Quote · #118

    zborg

    It was a good movie.  You were (only) slightly off topic, methinks.

    No other meaning was implied, or intended.

    But you do say some "scary things," if you haven't already noticed.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #119

    PLAVIN79

    ECHECS06Smile CAN I GO ALONG WITH YOU=IWILL BAIT YOUR HOOK

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #120

    nameno1had

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    I wonder if I could ask you to do something ?"
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    We must lessen the force of the impact.
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