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This debate is pointless anyway. If Morphy was born in the 21st century, he wouldn't be a chess player just like that.
It's all about the environment you are born in.
What if he was born in let's say Indonesia. Would he still be a chess player?
He happened to be born in the Golden Age of chess. He got lucky.
I'm sure every player here could be a GM if they started chess early enough.
"That makes you a worse player."Than Morphy? yes.
I said "Paul played this casual game at age 12 against his Mother's brother giving Rook odds." which you quoted with the reply, "Your blitz rating is worse than mine." Now, how does my erstwhile rating at chess.com affect the facts in what I stated and what is the purpose of your non-sequitur??
I can always return to the forums for intelligent and stimulating, not to mention mature discussion
Well now, Yereslov, I'd disagree with that last comment. From what I heard, there's only around 1,000 GMs in the world (figure may be outdated) yet tens of millions of people who play chess. Did they all take up the game late?
And blitz isn't chess - it's garbage. Weaker players routinely beat stronger players in blitz (A. Kosteniuk has beaten both Carlsen and Anand in blitz but freely admits, to her credit, that they would crush her in classical chess.
I. Krush likened the endgame in blitz to a player being a "clock punching monkey."
Being better than someone in blitz doesn't make you a superior chess player. Why? Like I said, blitz is garbage
I couldnt. I dont have a good enough memory, workrate, capacity to analyse patterns or a few other requisites. I am no illusionist. I have certain small talents but unfortunately I am not great at chess and never had the potential to be so. The golden age of chess is the one Kasparov was born into. You had Soviet chess schools turning out really talented individuals in a competitive environment where their skills were valued. Morphy was never taken seriously because he was a chessplayer and not a proper career. As for insulting Batgirl based on her blitz rating there are 3 things I would say: 1) Blitz doesnt count, its for fun, I suck at blitz but I dont place much emphasis on it as proper OTB rated chess is much longer time controls; 2) You said yourself something to the effect that rating doesnt matter for "real life thinking" was it?; 3) Batgirl is an intelligent writer who reasons out her posts and listens to logic, you are not.
Nothing I have said is illogical.
If nothing you have said is illogical why is it I keep hearing grandiose sweeping statements? Never mind the subject of Morphy, your illusion that we could all have been GMs denies the basic talent needed in a particular mind and assumes it is all "nurture". Do you feel robbed that you weren't a chess prodigy? You have been illogical at many points, you have failed to listen to reason when presented from many perspectives and angles, you have persisted in delusional beliefs. Seriously, man, if I were you I would close my account and open another one where people didnt know me as the person who had made all these comments.
Afraid I have to disagree again, Yereslov old bean. You said anyone on here could be a GM if they started early enough when that's just not the case. Ever hear of Josh Waitzkin (sp?), the child prodigy upon whom the book "Searching for Bobby Fischer" is based. Waitzkin started early, had great coaches but never made it to grandmaster. What you wrote is as silly as saying anyone could be a world-class sprinter or physicist if they just started early enough. You're falling into the same trap you fell into with Morphy - making a ridiculous assertion that you're forced to walk back, inch by excruciating inch, over the next 1,000 posts. You started to claim Morphy would be rated 1300 on chess.com and then ended by saying he wasn't the best in the world. There's an ocean of space between those two comments. Let's not have you walk back the "anyone could be a GM" comment over the next week. Just admit you were wrong and we'll all treat you to a Slurpee
Yereslov what do you know about logic? Do you claim to know anything about logic?
BTW - You doubt I know about Go. I am publicly offering a $10K bet on a 4 stone handicap game. How could I do better than that?
A four stone handicap?
I went from go to chess.
You are a begginer. Stop trying to be cocky.
He will be a GM.
He is only a few points away from claiming the title.
His rating is 2464.
Please do try again.
"He will be a GM."
Waitzkin? No, he gave up competitive chess years ago.
You keep making grandiose claims. It is a well established fact that nurture and nature play a part in everything.
Now go pick up a book on psychology or philosophy.
Then that's why he is not a GM.
Not quite Yereslov. And I am well aware of nature/nurture theories. Thats all they are. The truth is we know very little about the human mind and certainly not enough to make anyone a GM if they start early enough. Also dont assume I havent read books on these subjects, I am 42 and certainly have read psychology books. Philosophy however is even more valueless as it is pure conjecture and debate. Psychology although it is sometimes a pseudo-science attempts to be rational. As I said though, the human brain is largely an unknown and your claim that anyone could be a GM is nonsensical.
The brain has nothing to do with the possibilities. It is obvious that experience is the result of our environment. This is also true of experience.
There is no such thing as innate talent. That's a delusional belief.
You obviously haven't read either subject as you seem to be ignorant on even the basics.
We are born with certain instincts and impulses, but we are not born with any specific talent. That talents depends on where we are born.
The mind is born in tebula rasa.
"Ignorant on even the basics" - humanity is ignorant on the basics of psychology. We do not really understand the human mind. We have theories and guesses. We have no real evidence except observation, deduction and conjecture as to how human minds develop. Short of producing a transcript of an interview with God, you cant claim to know the human mind. You certainly cant dismiss my opinion with your shallow arguments.
Lol. That has to be your most foolish comment to date (and that's saying something!) Yes, gifted musicians who could play the piano at 3 years old, while their brother and sister who were born into the same environment could not, wasn't really born with musical talent or an aptitude for music. That 3-year-old probably heard a radio jingle when his brother and sister were outside making mudpies. And that 30-second radio jingle created an instant musical genius!
Okay keep having those fairytales about innate talent.
The body is made of flesh and bone, not fairy dust as you seem to think.
Address my point, Yereslov, or I'm withdrawing my offer of a free Slurpee.
How do you explain someone who displays talent for something at a very young age while their siblings do not?
Kind of throws your argument out the window doesn't it?
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