What's the average rating for resigning a game?

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1st March 2009, 06:27am
#1
by jonnyjupiter
Northamptonshire England
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 744

I know, I know, this is another resigning thread, but please read on...

I've found that opponents who are below 1500 rarely resign, even when the game is clearly lost and that opponents who are 1700+ usually resign when they know the game is lost. <1300 opponents almost never resign and play on to checkmate.

I don't want to argue whether resigning is good or bad, I just want to gather opinion on the following:

In general, at what rating do you find opponents resign when they have a lost game? I'm suggesting about 1600 on average.

1st March 2009, 06:40am
#2
by Wilio
Montreal Canada
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 99

My rating is about 1260(going up and down etc..) and I always resign when I know it is lost.

1st March 2009, 06:47am
#3
by jonnyjupiter
Northamptonshire England
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 744
Wilio wrote:

My rating is about 1260(going up and down etc..) and I always resign when I know it is lost.


Thanks Wilio - so are you the exception to the rule? I may well be completely wrong though.

1st March 2009, 06:50am
#4
by styxtwo
New York City Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 150

the problem is when to know it is lost.

 

a grandmaster might be calculating 20 moves ahead and see that a game is lost, a 1200 rated persen cannot do that and might see it a lot later.

1st March 2009, 06:57am
#5
by Roxus_Maximus
expat in Belgium United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 74

I think I'm around 1100 (not enough games to be properly calculated) and resign when I know it is lost (which is fairly late in a game) and see other players my level doing the same.

1st March 2009, 07:08am
#6
by WanderleiS
Detroit, Michigan United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 219

I also see players around my rating (1100) resign, but it takes a little bit more convincing than higher rated players.

1st March 2009, 07:12am
#7
by styxtwo
New York City Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 150

hehe yea it was a bit of an overstretched number, but i hope you get my point

1st March 2009, 07:12am
#8
by erikido23
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 981

I resign when I see the game is lost and the person proves that they know how to win it

1st March 2009, 07:23am
#9
by MadnessRed
Hampshire United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 56

i resign when there is no way for me to win, if I am too much down on peices, but I would not resign because I saw he had a checkmate, because, a) he might mess it up, and b) its really annoying when you go tothe trouble of finding a mate and thenthe opponent resigns and you never get to make it.

1st March 2009, 07:27am
#10
by Testrider
Holland Bangladesh
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 354

I have found (in otb games that is) that mostly people that are a lot lower or higher then me won't resign in lost positions. Regardless of the absolute rating level.

1st March 2009, 07:27am
#11
by IPA-Ray
South Park, PA United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 404

I think that the opponent's rating is a factor in deciding whether to resign. If I blunder a piece away against a player rated 1100, I figure I still have a good chance to win. I look at it as if I gave him odds to level the playing field. If I blunder a piece against a player rated 1800 or higher, I know my game is lost.

1st March 2009, 09:19am
#12
by WyoKid
Worland, Wyoming United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 108

I think >1200 should rarely resign simply because though the game may be clearly lost they may learn a new mating pattern or tactical nuance.  When you're below 1200 it should be all about learning and you can't learn when you resign.  As you gain knowledge and experience it becomes much clearer when a position should be resigned.

1st March 2009, 09:33am
#13
by jonnyjupiter
Northamptonshire England
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 744

Thanks for the responses.

Perhaps we need to establish the ratings of both opponents, so please post your rating and the rating of your opponents who 1) rarely resign 2) usually resign.

Remember, the purpose of this thread is not to discuss if resigning is good or bad (there are plenty of opportunities for that elsewhere!), I just want to get an idea of the average rating for those who do/don't resign lost games.

1st March 2009, 09:47am
#14
by bigmac30
devon England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 440

i recon that -1300 players do not resign because they dont have the depth to see the hoplessness f it

1st March 2009, 12:02pm
#15
by sarkinaiki
Everett, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 132

May I add, that I have observed that some players not only not resign when in a lost position, they slow down their play as much as possible.

I would guess that they are hoping to win on a time out.

1st March 2009, 12:28pm
#16
by minatonamikaze7
Hidden Leaf Village International
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 1530

this really doesn't come down to average rating, more like personal preference as to whether or not they like to resign or not, and if that person truly believes they can get a draw no matter how much their losing the game.....

1st March 2009, 12:30pm
#17
by socket2me
Ft. Collins, Colorado United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 541

This answers the question whether under 1300 resigns or plays on.  This instance he played on.

 

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=15394844

1st March 2009, 12:33pm
#18
by WordWarrior
Groningen Netherlands
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 163
sarkinaiki wrote:

May I add, that I have observed that some players not only not resign when in a lost position, they slow down their play as much as possible.

I would guess that they are hoping to win on a time out.


I think that's natural, you know that the little chance you have of eking out a draw or even winning, if you screw up just a tiny bit you're done for, so you're playing as carefully as possible. And of course you may still hope that your opponent forgets to move as well. :)

The psychology of resigning is very interesting if you think about it. Basically, it's a decision that you base on statistics. If the % gets below a certain point, you lose hope and give it up. This can be applied to many areas of human life. A lot of what we do and decide is based on some internalised statistical reasoning or even gut feeling.

1st March 2009, 12:45pm
#19
by Military_efficiency
Springfield United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 72

I'd say about 50% of my games(800-1400) have either me or my opponent resigning.

1st March 2009, 01:31pm
#20
by jonnyjupiter
Northamptonshire England
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 744
minatonamikaze7 wrote:

this really doesn't come down to average rating, more like personal preference as to whether or not they like to resign or not, and if that person truly believes they can get a draw no matter how much their losing the game.....


I don't agree. I have been following other threads on this topic quite closely and there does seem to be a distinction in the rating levels. I just want to get some real numbers. In my experience players over 1700 usually resign and players under 1500 usually play on. My rating hovers around 2100+ for reference.

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