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Which is generally stronger? a queen or two rooks?

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7th May 2008, 01:36pm
#1
by Chess_Warrior
Bayamon B.O Nuevo Puerto Rico
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 154

For me a queen is stronger because the queen can move to square more easily and it's hard to eat the queen with two rooks, even two rooks have a total of 10 points but the queen can still eat them if they don't defend each one to other, that's my opinion....


7th May 2008, 01:40pm
#2
by Saikoro
California United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 68
I think that two rooks + king will have an easier time mating than queen + king.  Perhaps I'll pit the two combonations against each other in a chess engine to see what comes out on top more often.
7th May 2008, 01:42pm
#3
by Chess_Pro
Tehran Iran
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 732

Queen 4ever!!! Wink

But i think some times they are Balance...!


7th May 2008, 01:47pm
#4
by Ogmios
United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 65
It really depends on the state of the board: are there other minor pieces to aid either the queen or rooks, how safe is either king (exposed kings can be checked a lot as the queen gobbles pawns).  Generally speaking though in the end game the two rooks are more powerful with a relatively safe king.
7th May 2008, 01:48pm
#5
by PerfectGent
St Andrews Scotland
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 728
if the Rs are connected and the board is fairly empty then i would take the 2 Rs.
7th May 2008, 02:16pm
#6
by tourdeforcex
Boston United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 19

firstly, i think this is a good question.

while a queen would be much more mobile and ready to force a pin or a fork, connected rooks can be very powerful. naturally, the number of pawns on the board and their positions makes a significant difference.

i've played multiple games where i end up w/ king queen vs. king rook rook and find myself being pushed around the board. i think i'd prefer the two rooks in a longer game.


7th May 2008, 03:19pm
#7
by itsMEEH
Philippines
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 4
For me of course the Queen, coz its has all the mobility to move around compare to two rooks !
7th May 2008, 03:33pm
#8
by 123karpov
CALIFORNIA United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 30
ofcouse 2 rooks are more powerful than a queen...
8th May 2008, 06:41am
#9
by Chess_Warrior
Bayamon B.O Nuevo Puerto Rico
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 154
Yeah that's true but the queen with the king can still checkmate the king, but if the queen do that her selve the king may end up in stalemate, if the queen is able of making the king get to the edge.
9th May 2008, 02:09am
#10
by Chess_Pro
Tehran Iran
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 732
I am pretty sure that it doesn't matter. The queen will probably be able to continuously check the other king to force a draw. I'm going to play it out for a bit and get back to you.
Yeah, I've been doing some testing and I don't think that the rooks can win. It might be possible for the queen to win.haha! Wink
9th May 2008, 03:01am
#11
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2073
In my experience, this is usually a draw.  Computers have an easier time with it, but usually I can't find a way to make any progress for either side in these situations.
9th May 2008, 04:11am
#12
by striker52
Illinois United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 48

i would say two rooks becasue u could checkmate with 1 rook and king or laddermate  so the queen has only on the side when like i said it is very easy to get the king to the side using laddermate

 

ROOKS


9th May 2008, 04:21am
#13
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2073
striker52 wrote:

i would say two rooks becasue u could checkmate with 1 rook and king or laddermate  so the queen has only on the side when like i said it is very easy to get the king to the side using laddermate

 

ROOKS


 Umm... how do you plan to use 'laddermate' with a queen on the board?


9th May 2008, 04:27am
#14
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 439

rooks:

1: 10 pts instead of 9

2: two pieces so they can defend one another and you could spare one

3: I don't know who (probably fischer or kasparov) it was but I saw a game here once that really shows the weakness of the queen. After sacrificing a queen for some minor pieces he won by covering everything. The queen couldn't do anything because trade would always lead to loss. and it was his only active piece left if I recall correctly.

Maybe someone recognizes this game, or I will look it up, anyways its a great example so I'd rather put my money on 2 rooks 


9th May 2008, 04:33am
#15
by oginschile
Salt Lake City, UT United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 940

Fischer had a celebrated win vs Tal with 2 Rooks vs Queen. Kramnik beat Leko with 2 Rooks vs Queen in game 1 of their match. But there a lot of examples of the queen winning as well.

 This one is a hot debate.


9th May 2008, 04:54am
#16
by superpotato
Maple, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 198

ROOKS because they can cover each other!:) 

 

 


9th May 2008, 04:55am
#17
by superpotato
Maple, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 198
Saikoro wrote: I think that two rooks + king will have an easier time mating than queen + king.  Perhaps I'll pit the two combonations against each other in a chess engine to see what comes out on top more often.

 can u do that on chess.com?:S


9th May 2008, 05:11am
#18
by Pterodactyl
Glasgow, SCOTLAND Scotland
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 45

Let's stop this now!  K+2R v K+Q is equal unless one player blunders. OK, agreed?

All other assessments on which is the better combination depends entirely on the position on the board (ie the  arrangement of the other pieces and pawns). Sometimes the Rooks are dominant, sometimes the Queen. There is, therefore, NO definitive answer. So, guys and gals, obtain your R.S.I. on you fingers on other topics more worthwhile. Ciao!!


9th May 2008, 05:33am
#19
by uritbon
tel aviv Israel
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 344

I sometimes ask myself if the scoring system is correct, what will i be willing to trade for what, queen for 6 pawns and a bishop, queen for 2 bishops and a knight and so on, i think it is better to have two rooks because you can pin the queen and force a bad exchange, and can protect each other or even mate in some situations.

even though it depends mostly wich players turn it is because each side can check and gain tempo, and the queens side can force a draw by infinite mate or by taking one rook and the oter side fortreses.


9th May 2008, 05:57am
#20
by aristeidis9
Thessaloniki Greece
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 530
Two rooks are a little better than queen,but also it depends from the position on the board and how player uses the rooks to gain an advantage against queen..Needs very good manipulation and a move that is not so good could lead easily the game to a draw..
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