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2nd September 2009, 08:58am
#1
by ASpieboy
ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Canada
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Anybody know why some chess sets have white and red pieces? Are these sets considered real chess sets?

2nd September 2009, 09:14am
#2
by BlackWaive
Michigan United States
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I don't see why not. I've seen gold and silver chess sets, and they seemed pretty real to me.

2nd September 2009, 09:18am
#3
by sportsmenlike
Canada
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2nd September 2009, 09:21am
#4
by euchrestud
Sidney, Ohio United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 27

I'm no expert, but I'll venture to guess your answer isn't as deep as you want it to be.  Some chess sets are white and red for the same reason others are blue and black, or transparent and opaque, or orange and brown (go cleveland).  Companies paint them whatever color they think will sell best keeping a specific target audience in mind.  Maybe the ones you speak of are red and white in an attempt to get patriotic Canadians to reach into their wallets.

And to answer your second question, I don't believe having different colored pieces alters the game itself in any way, so sure... they're real chess sets.  Of course I'll bet you'll find some people who will claim it is impure, wrong, and not real chess.  Like playing with a Nerf football instead of a real one... same game, but not really.  These are most likely the same people who will claim intelligence based on their ELO rating or call chess a sport.  Now I'm not here to judge and there may be shreds of truth or evidence in both of those statements, but if your mindset is like mine, you'll find it difficult to take much seriously from a person who compares a board game to soccer.

2nd September 2009, 09:28am
#5
by goldendog
beertopia United States
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One reason we have sets with red pieces is that it is a continuation of tradition. When ivory sets were still being made and weren't rarities, one side was dyed cochineal red. I think it's a very pretty and appropriate color, and one of my favorite sets is a natural/red plastic Collector from HOS.

Unfortunately, it's not a "real" set in the sense that the USCF rules only allow the dark side to be black or brown or another dark color that natural wood comes in. Not many candy apple cherry red woods out there. Other federations rules on this...I don't know.

2nd September 2009, 09:32am
#6
by bigpoison
Gilmore Township, Michigan United States
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Cherry is pretty red, as is red oak.  A cherry/walnut set would be neat.  Guess I need a lathe.

2nd September 2009, 09:38am
#7
by goldendog
beertopia United States
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Red sandalwood can be fairly reddish but still is a far cry from my candy apple Collector.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/MooscaHumano/RedCollectorWeinstockVinyl-2-resize.jpg

2nd September 2009, 09:42am
#8
by jdilley
Strathroy Canada
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Because red is easier to see on a black square than black.  

 

Not much fun in that answer, but it's accurate.

2nd September 2009, 09:46am
#9
by goldendog
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True. Still, brown squared boards are the common vinyl/plastic ones in Europe, and in the US green squares are most common.

2nd September 2009, 09:55am
#10
by rooperi
Pretoria South Africa
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A few years ago blue, yellow, red and green plastic pieces were fashionable here.

You could buy any two colours.

People spent more time arguing which is White and which is Black than they did playing chess. Thank heavens that seems to have passed.

2nd September 2009, 12:10pm
#11
by bigpoison
Gilmore Township, Michigan United States
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Yeah, goldendog, it would be tough to find wood that red.  Really nice looking set!

2nd September 2009, 12:12pm
#12
by mihaca
ruse Slovenia
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ive seensimpsons and star wars chess

2nd September 2009, 12:32pm
#13
by Bur_Oak
Indianapolis United States
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bigpoison wrote:

Cherry is pretty red, as is red oak.


Red oak wood isn't red at all, it's a tan with light brown grain lines if not stained. The tree is called "red" oak for other reasons.

Unstained cherry is a light reddish brown, darkening to a rich mellow brown with a little age. I wouldn't exactly call it red either.

2nd September 2009, 01:10pm
#14
by kissinger
seattle United States
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i like red instead of white and black on a board, but that is just me....

2nd September 2009, 01:13pm
#15
by Peterh
Rotterdam Netherlands
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Any color (or form) will do, as long as it is recognisable.

Tradition asks for black (or brown) and white. Suits me fine!

2nd September 2009, 01:20pm
#16
by bigpoison
Gilmore Township, Michigan United States
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Bur_Oak wrote:
bigpoison wrote:

Cherry is pretty red, as is red oak.


Red oak wood isn't red at all, it's a tan with light brown grain lines if not stained. The tree is called "red" oak for other reasons.

Unstained cherry is a light reddish brown, darkening to a rich mellow brown with a little age. I wouldn't exactly call it red either.


You haven't split much red oak have you?  It sure isn't "tan". The sapwood is particularly red.  I am here referring to Northern Red Oak (Quercus rubra), as opposed to Spanish Oak.

What type of cherry do you refer to?  Black cherry holds its red tint long after it has aged.

2nd September 2009, 02:17pm
#17
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2264
bigpoison wrote:
Bur_Oak wrote:
bigpoison wrote:

Cherry is pretty red, as is red oak.


Red oak wood isn't red at all, it's a tan with light brown grain lines if not stained. The tree is called "red" oak for other reasons.

Unstained cherry is a light reddish brown, darkening to a rich mellow brown with a little age. I wouldn't exactly call it red either.


You haven't split much red oak have you?  It sure isn't "tan". The sapwood is particularly red.  I am here referring to Northern Red Oak (Quercus rubra), as opposed to Spanish Oak.

What type of cherry do you refer to?  Black cherry holds its red tint long after it has aged.


 Well, obviously he's referring to Quercus macrocarpa.

2nd September 2009, 02:21pm
#18
by KillaBeez
Kansas United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 4058
RyanMK wrote:
bigpoison wrote:
Bur_Oak wrote:
bigpoison wrote:

Cherry is pretty red, as is red oak.


Red oak wood isn't red at all, it's a tan with light brown grain lines if not stained. The tree is called "red" oak for other reasons.

Unstained cherry is a light reddish brown, darkening to a rich mellow brown with a little age. I wouldn't exactly call it red either.


You haven't split much red oak have you?  It sure isn't "tan". The sapwood is particularly red.  I am here referring to Northern Red Oak (Quercus rubra), as opposed to Spanish Oak.

What type of cherry do you refer to?  Black cherry holds its red tint long after it has aged.


 Well, obviously he's referring to Quercus macrocarpa.


 Quercus macrocarpa?  Seriously?

2nd September 2009, 02:29pm
#19
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2264
KillaBeez wrote:
RyanMK wrote:
bigpoison wrote:
Bur_Oak wrote:
bigpoison wrote:

Cherry is pretty red, as is red oak.


Red oak wood isn't red at all, it's a tan with light brown grain lines if not stained. The tree is called "red" oak for other reasons.

Unstained cherry is a light reddish brown, darkening to a rich mellow brown with a little age. I wouldn't exactly call it red either.


You haven't split much red oak have you?  It sure isn't "tan". The sapwood is particularly red.  I am here referring to Northern Red Oak (Quercus rubra), as opposed to Spanish Oak.

What type of cherry do you refer to?  Black cherry holds its red tint long after it has aged.


 Well, obviously he's referring to Quercus macrocarpa.


 Quercus macrocarpa?  Seriously?


 What do you mean? Do you not see the connection?

2nd September 2009, 03:29pm
#20
by Bur_Oak
Indianapolis United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 208

You haven't split much red oak have you?  It sure isn't "tan". The sapwood is particularly red.  I am here referring to Northern Red Oak (Quercus rubra), as opposed to Spanish Oak.

I heat my shop with a wood stove. Split plenty of red oak, and yes I'm talking about quercus rubra. Made stuff out of red oak. Never saw any of the wood as being what I'd call "red." Certainly not like some of the tropical woods.

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