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How about a points system? If you get a line named after you in a variation which only starts on the 10th move, you get one point. If you get a whole opening from the first move on named after you, it´s 10 points (Bird´s Opening, 1.f4). 9 points for the 2nd move, 8 for the 3rd and so on down to 1 for the 10th. So Ruy Lopez gets 8 points for 3.Bc5 (even though he didn´t invent it), as does Fischer for the Fischer Defence (3 ...d6) in the King´s Gambit. If as in the Nimzo-Larsen two names are credited they share the points, e.g. Nimzovitsch and Larsen get 5 points each for 1.b3.
How about it? Who´s top of the league on this basis?
Yes, I just found another system of counting openings, named after players in The Oxford Companion of Chess : in the book are 1327 openings with names; and in the text a lot of info is given to named attacks, gambits, defences, systems and variations.
I counted names as follows :
and Bogoljubow 19 ; Lasker 18 ; Botwinnik 15 ; Maroczy 14 ; Anderssen 14 ; Capablanca 14 ; Tarrasch 14 ; Smyslov 13 ; Chigorin 13 ; Marshall 13 ; Schlechter 12 ; Berger 12 ; Blackburne 11 ; Bronstein 11 ; Spielmann 10 ; Pillsbury 10 ; Kieseritzky 10 ; Grunfeld 8 ; Reti 8 ; Zukertort 7.
Twenty-eight names of players with influence on openings played !
It might nice to figure out in what type of openings they pioneered, something for a separate forum, and it said something about famous players with no influence on openings, as Fischer, Tal and Spassky.
Manfred Mann : thanks for your reply , this is exactly the intention of the post as well, to get reactions in order to see things better .
I have read your posts and your suggestions here above and posts number 45 and 57 are also okay, the main questions remain : "who" and "the most" and I added the question "in which type of openings did they the trial-and-error of moves..."
Now to answer your remarks : I counted in the same way your names, such now in addition to my first list :
Petrosyan 4 ; Averbach 3 ; Romanishin 3 ; Zaitsev 3 ; Fischer 8 ( ! ) ; Tal 2 ; Spassky 3 ; Benko 3 ; Karel Opocensky 5.
I stopped my first list at 7, but now can mention the following as well : Simagin 7 ; Caro 5 ; Taimanov 8 ; Flohr 8 ; Richter 7 ; Janofsky 6 ; Larsen 6.
With Fischer you are more than right !
Perhaps the try to find out which particular opening systems are involved remains now, I am curious ! It is a lot of work, but nice ! Regards, Ger.
Fischer Defence in the King´s Gambit? (3 ...d6)
Manfred : my copy of the book is from 1996 and the younger ones, the modern players as Averbach and Romanishin are mentioned till that year, but over 30 players out of my two lists are ( or have ? ) passed away, so that info is kind of complete.
Have a look on www.schaakboek.nl under "algemeen" and you will find the numbers 14896 and 16017, David Hooper and Ken Whyld, The Oxford Companion to Chess, resp. from 1988 and 1984, both 407 pages ( my copy has 483 pages ).
I will think about the "lot of work" to find out which particular openings are involved, how important is this for the man asking the question first, ( chessmaster 102 ) and for the almost 30 writers of posts hereabove.
I think the questions "who" and "the most" are answered !
What about Kasparov & Karpov & Kramnik?
Miha (MSC) : as I said, my reference book is dated 1996, and although Karpov was 45 years old then, only one opening is mentioned ( and in Wiki now the same one only )
In 1996 Kramnik was 21 and Kasparov 33, and no references to openings are in that book ; but in the meantime there is some progress : in Wiki both now have one opening related to their name.
We all now discover ( thanks to this forum ) that openings were tried out and made popular in the older days, Steinitz, Rubinstein, Nimzowitsch, Alekhine !
And even when we list who passed away over hundred years ago, we see Kieseritsky (+1853) 10 x , Anderssen (+1879) 14 x, Zukertort (+18888) 7x , Paulsen (+1891) 23 x, Steintz (+1900) 32 x, Pillsbury (+1906) 10 x and Chigorin (+1908) 13 x related to an opening.
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