Who's the douchebag here?

This thread is like some kid, Billy, playing basketball in some other kid Johnny's backyard, playing a game to 11 and when he and Johnny are tied 8-8 saying, "hey, what do you say we just call it a tie" because he's afraid he's going to choke and lose, but Johnny wants to keep playing.  Then Billy loses 11-8 and says "well, if I'd just made this shot and that shot and that other shot, I'd have won and since I usually make those shots, I guess I really won" and Johnny says, "um, no, you still lost."  So Billy calls Johnny a douchebag for not calling it a tie earlier and takes his ball and goes home while Johnny goes inside and calls Billy's girlfriend to come over and hang out.

God, I guess I have to delete my account (seriously). Now I'm like the bad guy of chess.com.

No worries krestez. They say there are 8 mio players here, but most of them are long gone. Lets say there are 500 000. Only some 50 or so posted here. This is peanuts. All the rest still like you...

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A 30 minutes game is a rapid game so time is a big factor when it comes to winning (it doesn´t matter that chess.com classifies it as "standard" this is still rapid chess).

So, as for your question, I will say that the answer is: You.

i TOTALLY agree with you.

From your opponent's perspective, you blundered a won game into a draw on move 43. With that kind of play, it's reasonable for him to expect you to blunder your drawn game into a loss.

but did you tell him he that you had bad internet connection or did you just expect him to know that?

Ah.  You fell for a cheapo. 

"If the enemy general is obstinate and prone to anger, insult and enrage him, so that he will be irritated and confused, and without a plan will recklessly advance against you.
- Chang Yü"

Good comment by chungle. Interesting. I have to say that krestez has shown himself to walk tall and capable of taking some flack as a man. Not bad for a youngster. Respect. Anybody that continues to harass him is a douchebag in my dictionary. Forget about it.

Let's try to make a useful contribution to this thread :)

First, some formalities. Let's have a look at FIDE chess rules and what they say, without stating that this in any means applies to the current situation. These are of course OTB rules…

Article 10: Quickplay Finish

To summarize: if the opponent is making no clear attempts to win the game, but to instead race you through your flag, you can CLAIM the draw. Combined with this, OTB players are taught that continuing play in a clearly drawn position is unsportsmanlike, the same as not resigning in a completely lost position is also considered unsportsmanlike.

Back to internet chess. It is clear that in bullet chess, time is a weapon. I will never resign a Q+K ending versus my lone K if my opponent has less than 5 seconds. If the same situation occurs in blitz with 30 seconds on the clock, I will resign as I can reasonably assume that my opponent (rated 1600-1700) has the ability and speed to perform the checkmate.

 

And now the current situation: Krestez claims to have about 2 minutes left on the clock on move 45 and offers a draw. On move 45 I find the position not clearly drawn yet. Blacks pawns are under threat and he has to find the correct defense. From a chess point of view I agree with his opponents decision to play on. He collects the two pawns and starts to push his own towards promotion. He finds the correct plan on moves 61 and 68 to try and block the bishop so he can move forward. Furthermore: 25 moves in two minutes in an end-game should be do-able. If you are bad at blitz, don’t get in time trouble. In conclusion I don’t think the white player is wrong here.

However, from reading the posts in this thread and playing a lot on this site, I get the idea that a lot of people find it OK to push for time trouble and/or hope for blunders of opponents. I strongly dissagree with that. Let's take a hypothethical situation. K+R+30sec against K+R+2min. Now I find it unsportsmanlike and against the ideas of the chess game in general to continue play on the fact that youre opponent has 90sec less. It's a clear draw. 30sec should be enough to make A LOT of moves. Hoping and/or playing for blunders for the side low on time is just plainly pathetic. 

Robbels, i play blitz once a month in a club. If your clock runs out it runs out.

Check the game in the topic in the link that I post

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/nakamura-defeats-rybka-in-a-loooong-game

This game goes through a LONG phase (move 70-140) of aimlessly making moves with no clear attempt at winning by either side. If this was to occur in an OTB tournament, one of the players could claim the draw. If this position occurs in blitz and your opponent has a time deficit and you just aimlessly shuffle pieces to push his clock, it has nothing to do with chess and is just plainly pathetic.

Pushing the time deficit in a position that is NOT drawn however, or a drawn position where you can create practical chances by sacrificing material, is in my opinion a fair option. Note that in my previous post I mentioned CLEARLY drawing, meaning that the postion has NO chances of a player winning. That should be a draw. Pushing the time deficit in that case is not the right thing to do

That's exactly what I was trying to tell. Under normal circumstances there was no way he could make progress since he was the one fighting for the draw. Instead he pushed the clock and waited for me to blunder.

This is the perfect opportunity for an old adage!

Take your pick:

"When you choose to point one finger at another, youv'e got three pointing at yourself"

and

"what you dislike about others you should also dislike about yourself"

or

"Remove the plank from your own eye before you point out the splinter in anothers"

Frankly repeated disconnects are annoying for your opponent. It could be percieved as a cheap strategy implemented by you. Everytime you disconnect they are not sure you are going to return. Which could tempt him to simply resign and look for an opponent without connectivity issues. Or it may have irretated him and kept him from playing his best. Also frequent disconnects are also linked to cheating. Like someone switching apps on thier phone to check moves against an engine.

So to him refusing your draw and forcing your loss on time was sweet justice! You wasted his time and quality of play with your poor connection and he may have even kept a cheater from prospering! 

But you are the one seeking validation and consolation through a forum thread?! What a habit of self delusion! Simular to a tool habitually used to soothe one's own unpleasantness by dilution... what does that sound like? Sounds like a douchebag to me. 

Well, you know what they say, "If you have to ask..."

or was it, "It takes one to know one."

One of the two I'm almost sure.

I wholehartedly disagree!

You are basically saying: you annoyed him by disconnects, so he can/is allowed to annoy you by refusing draw and push you through your time? Really? It is like saying: you can cheat against cheaters! It makes you no better than them!

I agree that disconnects are annoying, but to underhandly accuse Krestez of cheating (yes you did that!) is just uncalled for and defamatory.

I guess my poor connection should make another thread. And that since I have no problems with my internet, except when I'm on chess.com. How is that my fault?

"what you dislike about others you should also dislike about yourself"

Like I previously said, in a dead draw position, I take the draw if my opponent is very low on time so your saying doesn't really have a point here.

Oh, yes... and the cheating part?? What the hell, man? When did cheating come into discussion and why would you suspect me of cheating?

disconnects are associated with cheating, thats a fact not an accusation... ill come out on record... i looked at your game and i dont think you were! so there that is settled no accusations here... but from the perspective of your opponent... come on! its a 30 minute game! who wouldnt be pissed at your frequent disconnects and want to make you pay? He isnt looking over the whole game during the game, what can he assume you are doing while you are disconnecting? You want him to assume the best you are mending puppies and feeding orphans.

Just put the shoe on the other foot, and yea i am no better than him because i would have done the same! I want to cheat all the cheaters! Your darn right i do! what do you want to do throw them a parade? If we are playing chess and you want to win... fine win! but if you want a draw you'd better force one because if i was your opponent I wouldnt appreciate your time wasting shananigans and i am not going to agree to bail you out of your time trouble, the clock is there to force blunders, which you amittedly did, and he (or I) have the right to utilize that clock as a part of the game... that is why its called a "time advantage"

Watch the top games play bullet. do you see draws accepted because of theoretically winning positions? hell naw. If the clock runs out its a win, it may be a swindle, but its still a "W" 

You wanna start the name calling because YOU lost on time in a 30 minute game... inconcievable! http://youtu.be/D58LpHBnvsI