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OTB chess is way better than over the internet or against the computer. The computer always plays the same way and even if the are "rated" way higher than you play them a few times and you'll find they're strategy
Main reason chess clubs are dieing in my opinion is a lot of people don't think it's cool
Chess is not a popular game. In the US, a country with a population of 300 million: (1) the USCF has about 80,000 members, and (2) Chess.com has about 400,000 US members. That's a very small fraction of the population.
I live in an area of 30,000 people, and the local chess club, which is free, has 20 members (that number includes people who only attended once). On a good night, three or four people attend the once-a-week meeting.
I think that response #8 says it all. If you cannot interest younger people, chess club membership will decline.
I have to disagree, even though your statistics don't lie. Chess has always been popular. It's more of a household game though, like various different card games. People like to play it offhandedly, just to pass time, I know a lot of people who know the rules and can play the game, it's just they don't play very well. Past a certain level of skill they lose interest in it which is why they don't make it down to the club. It takes a lot of time spent playing to get to that level, most folk don't put that time in. Kasparov is right, its mental torture. The game gets harder the better you get at it, thats another thing that puts people off. I guess thats one of the factors that make the game what it is. I only have one friend who still plays me over the board even though he hasn't beaten me in about 3 years. Like me, he just loves the game, not the competition.
You have a good point. In fact, I have found that an estimated 35-40 million people in the U.S. play chess. The unanswered question is how many of the 35-40 million people are sufficiently interested in the game that they would consider joining a chess club. I have no idea how to make that estimate.
It's just like many people have played or know how to play billiards/pool. But few of those join a league or enter into a tournament.
Well I think that alot is already covered in this post. I'm a member of 2 local chess clubs (one is about 2 miles away and the other one around 4 miles or so). About a year ago I rejoined these clubs after being gone from them for 9 years and the clubs are for the biggest part identical to the conditions that Scarblac mentioned.
These clubs have around 30 members each including 5-10 and 4 people of around my age. That makes them have almost 50% young players and 50% seniors.
One of the reasons I play in these clubs is that online play doesn't compare to the joy I get from playing OTB:
When I play online I don't have these things. Because of that I tend to concentrate alot less on my games and play much worse chess. Sometimes I even get disgusted of myself in online chess because the moves are simply horrible.
Another reason is that I've got WAY too much time on my hands that I really need to spend on something.
Going a bomb in the developing World, China in particular.
Plain fact is in the West too many distractions.
I am 12 years old and our school has a chess club but almost nobody goes to it, including me. the reason for this is, if any kid is caught by his peers in chess club he is considered uncool and unpopular. that is the reason kids chess clubs are dieing.
Well it isn't here... We have a youth chess club that has now the highest amount of kids that we ever had!
Here in Kansas, you can't get the clubs to go for serious chess. It's either 5-minute speed garbage or no rating changes at all. This is egotism mixed with cowardice on the part of the players I've seen over here. Some of us like serious competitive play, not garbage chess. If I wanted that, I could play on the internet.
What can be done about the problem?
I went to your state open 3-4 years ago, and it was a standard time control, something around 100 players. Top seed was Shulman, I think he got 2nd though.
An earlier thread kinda answers the OP's question:
Basically, at least in the USA, it's too expensive. The USCF is not responsive to the needs of it's members, and charges through the nose for services not delivered.
Crazy expensive USCF membership fees, tournament entry fees, fees charged to tournament directors, expensive merchandise sales...it adds up.
Plus the USCF is not actively promoting chess in any way. You often must drive hundreds of miles to play in a tournament, and on top of gas at $3 per gallon you have hotel, food and other costs. Is the USCF sponsoring any tournaments in the USA? Nope. USCF dumps that obligation onto individuals who mostly pay out of their own pocket for the love of chess.
everything in the world now is for money.., they dont care if they ruin everything, they just want money.. Greedy Bastards.
If i owned that organization i would make everything decent (especially in this economy) and i would advertise chess etc.., these guys havent got a clue how to help promote chess.
All i have to say is, gold diggers.
As soon as you place a monetary value on anything, things begin to go downhill. So many are chasing the all mighty dollar at the expense of morality, and just plain ole doing the right thing. People basing there self worth on how big their high def tv is, how many tv's they have in the car, wo can but more name brand crap. If you truely want to see how pathetic we have become as a society, just to go a mall and observe.
Watch the mass of unhappy people shuffling around oblivious to everything around them. On there phone, ipods, no one says excuse me, no one holds a door for anyone, and if you do hold a door open see how often you get a thankyou.
Its all about instant gratification at high interest rates.
If you want to see how good a person is, watch how they treat someone that can do them absolutely no good. Watch people in their car at a stop light with a homeless person around. They will act like the dont even notice the homeless person. How many of us woud even take the last $20 from our pocket and give it to someone less fortunate?
There's an idea. Go down to a homeless shelter with a bunch of boards and clocks and bingo, instant chess club. Push pieces about when you're down and out.
I wonder if there's something that could be done like they did with poker. Once they added the cameras and you could see what the guy had, it took off.
If they could get it on tv, and make it exciting somehow, it might take off. For example, I know how much the diehards or classical (for lack of a better term) would hate to see all competition down to 5 or even 3 minutes a side, people might be more willing to watch a game.
Not really contributing to the discussion of why chess clubs are dying but...
Just as the "ing" form of the verb "to lie" is lying, the "ing" form of the verb "to die" is dying. Dieing is not a word.
Some of us live in places where there is a bum on most corners, that could get expensive.
Watch people in their car at a stop light with a homeless person around. They will act like the dont even notice the homeless person. How many of us woud even take the last $20 from our pocket and give it to someone less fortunate?
What if you get mugged?
We had lot of young people interested when the weather man showed up with his TV crew to play a simul. I thought about giving out state flags for games won on a ladder or attendence. The drive isnt the problem here. Times are changing with most types of clubs not just chess. Different culture in America, fast food, internet, quick fix, texting instead of talking (communication is different).
I occasionally go to an informal chess club that meets every Saturday for 2 hours, but it's a 20 minute drive one way to get there. The other alternative is driving about an hour and a half every Sunday to another town to a club there.
I do enjoy playing OTB, but enjoy the wider range of online players, plus with my busy schedule it's easier to play correspondence chess here than it is to meet someone in person or even play live chess online.
A friend of mine on occasion goes to Washington DC and plays some of the homeless people there. He says they kick his butt all the time. I guess when you don't have a bunch of other distractions, chess is easier to concentrate on.
I considered starting a chess club in my own school but I doubted there would have been ten members. I played with about five people. However, two of them were seniors and graduated before I could create 1. The others except for 1 person have something to do that period. NObody knows how to play or thinks it requires too much thinking or time. On a side note, I played a teacher 10 times and won 9.
Running a successful anything requires work so unless you have people willing to step up and keep things interesting people are going to lose interest.
Our club is less than two years old and we have already hosted two matches and are planning a third with prizes. We have members volunteer to do PR, graphics and even do simple seminars. We play as a team and our club games are not against our fellow members but considered practice for when we play other teams. We meet upstairs from a coffee house and the owner donates prizes for our matches.
We are friends. We have a vibrant club with members of all skill levels, the better players are willing to teach. We discuss our games. We have 24 members, of which we usually get 10 playing on a regular basis.
I guess I'm just lucky.
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