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24th March 2009, 10:54am
#1
by sebas4life
utrecht Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 333

I´ve always wondered as a little kid why the Queen was a better piece (more power' ) then the King? I always thought men were superieur over womenCool? chess is the other way around!!

24th March 2009, 11:06am
#2
by postaljester
california United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 96

The king does have more power then the queen. thats why if he is lost the game is lost.

also you will never get a good girlfriend if you think men are so much better then women. (maybe your gay?)

24th March 2009, 11:11am
#3
by varials
Salzburg Austria
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 20

XD

24th March 2009, 11:11am
#4
by OtakuSempai
Romania
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 2

The King would escape too easily if he'd have Queen-like powers. The Queen, which has the highest rank after the King, obviously has powers suitable for her royal statute.

24th March 2009, 11:12am
#5
by Narz
Pitman, NJ United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 3358

I wouldn't mind having a real life super-woman to protect me. Laughing

24th March 2009, 11:23am
#6
by EinsteinFan1879
St. Paul United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 315
sebas4life wrote:

I´ve always wondered as a little kid why the Queen was a better piece (more power' ) then the King? I always thought men were superieur over women? chess is the other way around!!


 I can't imagine the smilely face you inserted after that comment will save you from being flamed.

24th March 2009, 11:24am
#7
by sebas4life
utrecht Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 333
postaljester wrote:

The king does have more power then the queen. thats why if he is lost the game is lost.

also you will never get a good girlfriend if you think men are so much better then women. (maybe your gay?)


 You clearly lack humor. If you had understand my post you knew that I of course ment that the King can only move one square, and the Queen can move many squares. That´s what I mean with power. If you are not giving a good comment you  might aswell shut your mouth

 

I think otaku hit it right on the nail!

 

Narz! I wouldn´t mind either!

24th March 2009, 11:41am
#8
by rebelyell78
California United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 39

I heard...

Initially the Queen had the same movement capabilities as the King, but somewhere (in the Middle Ages???) they (whoever they are), in order to speed up the game, granted the Queen the 'super' mobility we are familiar with as players today. Anyone know this to be true or false?

24th March 2009, 11:48am
#9
by eBusiness
Denmark
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 111

I'd say the question is more why the queen is so powerfull. A reallife king is expected to guide his troops rather than fighting himself, though of course in battle he will be given better equipment than the average soldiers. So the king being of modest fighting power, better than the lowest, but in no way the best, seems absolutely sound.

But noone would ever take a queen to the battlefield.

The queen of international chess is quite unique, no other chess family game feature such a powerfull piece. An alternate name would often be something similar minister, but I suspect that the popularity of calling the piece queen is partly due to the queen figure being fairly distinct relative to the other pieces, you tell a queen by the crown, and a minister by the, well I don't know, do ministers dress distinctly?

24th March 2009, 11:55am
#10
by eBusiness
Denmark
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 111
rebelyell78 wrote:

I heard...

Initially the Queen had the same movement capabilities as the King, but somewhere (in the Middle Ages???) they (whoever they are), in order to speed up the game, granted the Queen the 'super' mobility we are familiar with as players today. Anyone know this to be true or false?


Definitely true, but I don't know if the piece was given the name queen before or after the speedup.

24th March 2009, 12:18pm
#11
by LazyPig83
Aylesham (Kent) England
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 36
eBusiness wrote:
rebelyell78 wrote:

I heard...

Initially the Queen had the same movement capabilities as the King, but somewhere (in the Middle Ages???) they (whoever they are), in order to speed up the game, granted the Queen the 'super' mobility we are familiar with as players today. Anyone know this to be true or false?


Definitely true, but I don't know if the piece was given the name queen before or after the speedup.


the queen used to be called a minister, it apparently was named a queen after Otto 1's queen Adelaide in the 10th century. The queen's boost in power appears to have been inspired by queen Isabella who reigned over Castile and Leon regions in spain in the last half of the 15th century, herself and her husband, king Ferdinand, both avid chess players. Hope this helps.

24th March 2009, 02:33pm
#12
by sebas4life
utrecht Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 333

yea thanks very nice comments. That seems very plausible. Queen elizabeth did have a lot of power

24th March 2009, 02:41pm
#13
Member Since: Feb 2009
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I think it is one of those pieces whose name has changed over time. It was probably concieved as general, who, because they led from the front with the cavalry, would be the fastest person on the field. But King and Queen next to each other feels better. (Please don't flame me !!! Innocent)

24th March 2009, 02:47pm
#14
by GatoNegro
Utrecht Netherlands
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 533

Sir William Jones, laid that chess under the Sanskrit name Chaturanga was exported from India into Persia in the 6th Century AD and by the natural corruption, the old Persian changed the name into Chatrang; but when their country was afterwards taken possession of the Arabs, who had neither the initial nor the final letter of their alphabet, they altered it further into ‘SHATRANJ’.

The Queen is the curvaceous of the modern pieces and has undergone changes in name, sex and power. In Shatranj, this piece was called ‘Firz or Farz’ meaning counselor or General.

24th March 2009, 03:02pm
#15
by knightsgreen
United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 17

Between Queen Isabella & Elizabeth I, the queen became a very powerful piece

25th March 2009, 05:55am
#16
by stanhope13
Armageddon United Kingdom
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Member Points: 788

oh dear another one of those topics.

25th March 2009, 09:06am
#17
by aadaam
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 546

'king' and 'queen' ceased to have any meaning to me, except as terms for chess pieces, long ago. It's the chess pieces I'm interested in, not the various terms we use for them. I believe the French say 'jester' rather than 'bishop' and some people say 'Ruy Lopez' instead of 'Spanish', it means absolutely nothing outside the game.

25th March 2009, 09:37am
#18
by MFMT
boise, id United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 3

chess originated in india where it was called caturanga, "four divisions"(military) when it hit europe in 1475 some of the rules and names were changed.  chivalry was still very strong in europe at that time. for those who dont know

    Chivalry: is a term relating to the medieval institution of knighthood. It is usually associated with ideals of knightly virtues, honor and courtly love. Today, the terms chivalry and chivalrous are used to describe courteous behavior, especially that of men towards women.

during these times men would rise when a woman entered the room and so on and so forth.  and even the king had to do these things for his queen.  that is why the queen, not the king has the power in this game!

25th March 2009, 09:39am
#19
by MFMT
boise, id United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 3

I hope that was helpfull sebas

25th March 2009, 09:44am
#20
by MFMT
boise, id United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 3

as for you "men being superior" comment that everyone hates.  I agree with you to a surtain point.  I was raised in an old fashioned home. dad brought home the bacon, mom raised the kids. what dad said stood fast in the home, unless, just like in chess, the queen disagreed.  in which case the king slept on the couch!

men are superior to women in many things but you must remember and respect the fact that they hold a power over us that we just can't fight. (and no... it's not just the sex)  if you can keep that in mind when you get married you just might be successful.

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