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Will Carlsen accept early draw offers from Anand?


  • 10 months ago · Quote · #121

    MSC157

    Scottrf wrote:

    Not a chance. Carlsen presses until it's completely dead. If he did, he would be giving away his advantage. He doesn't get big advantages out of the opening very often.

    Literally.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #122

    r_k_ting

    vill0236 wrote:

    The match took 48 games and karpov was leading 5-3 when the match was stopped.

    You do know that the match lasted 5 months!

    It's safe to say that it was an interesting experiment, but in the end it didn't work.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #123

    DavidStyles

    r_k_ting wrote:
    DavidStyles wrote:

    And Carlsen declined Anand's draw offer :p

    Lol. David, I'm surprised you're not a member of the Carlsen cheer squad :)

    Unlike Anand's earlier decision, we all know it was pointless to decline that draw at move 40.

    I give respect where I consider it's due, and I also shoot down criticisms I see as undue.

    People complain about early draws. People complain about playing out long draws. People complain about draws being offered, and people complain about draws being declined.

    Then there are people in the opposite camp, who praise all those exact same things. It seems to come down to which player the person favours, more than the actual circumstances.

    It's very easy for everyone to be an armchair superGM when sat at home with three engines, two sets of professional commentary, and a couple of forums' worth of live kibitzing.

    I guess I just believe in giving the guys who are actually in the championship a bit of a break, as they must just do whatever they think best while under pressure to try to win the competition.

    You say "we all know" it was pointless to decline the draw at move 40; apparently Carlsen didn't, and it probably wasn't because his understanding of chess was so much less than yours.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #124

    MSC157

    #144 - Aplause! Thanks, now I hope everyone will read it.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #125

    r_k_ting

    I was pointing out that there was a qualitative difference between the two declinations. The first was during a tense middle game with chances for both sides, while the second was during a theoretically drawn endgame.

    The difference in competitive merit between these two declinations is my opinion, which you seem to disagree with, and that is fine. But to say that my opinion is not valid because Carlsen is a GM and I am not, I do not accept.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #126

    franknstein

    I think some people over here would love Carlsen to play a lone K vs K position for 50 moves  and call it "fighting for a win" spirit, rather than watching the actual content the game has to offer in a short but tense game.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #127

    SmyslovFan

    Agreed, frankenstein. 

    The best players in the world know when a position is dead, and Carlsen knew it too. He has been known in the past to play until bare kings, and this was just about the same. If he had really wanted to "fight on", he would not have allowed the pawn exchanges. 

    Carlsen agreed to the draw by exchanging off all the pawns as quickly as possible. He should have done it by... agreeing to the draw.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #128

    Scottrf

    SmyslovFan wrote:

    Agreed, frankenstein. 

    The best players in the world know when a position is dead, and Carlsen knew it too. He has been known in the past to play until bare kings, and this was just about the same. If he had really wanted to "fight on", he would not have allowed the pawn exchanges. 

    Carlsen agreed to the draw by exchanging off all the pawns as quickly as possible. He should have done it by... agreeing to the draw.

    Perhaps he reads the threads and realises people need insufficient material to understand it as a draw.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #129

    Ziryab

    lol!

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #130

    plutonia

     
     

     

    why do you say insufficient material, Carlsen could have played on for a win instead of being such a pacifist.

     

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #131

    Ziryab

    Wow! Mate in eight! Who knew? That should be tomorrow's problem of the day.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #132

    Crazychessplaya

    Nalimov knew. Plugged it in and it works out just as shown.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #133

    r_k_ting

    Scottrf wrote:

    Perhaps he reads the threads and realises people need insufficient material to understand it as a draw.

    Then he should have played

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #134

    najdorf96

    Hmm. Bishops of opposite colors are "fighting' endgames. But, soo sorry t'be sarcastic, without any pawns it's clearly drawn. Everyone should know that. Dunno. If your engine is truly ahead of it's time...but it's an farce, hate to break it to you, to think anyone could conceivably play for an win, much less mate.


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