I have an equal amont of loses and draws, and several times iv gaind a draw wer all lodgit told me i wold loose. My queston is: Is it worth the fight? If You are dowd 10points, whith a worthles positon, shold you keep at it to the finish, hoping that your oponent messes up? Pleas, give exampels and your thouts on the matter!

November 16, 2007

Hello;

If TWO players are playing Chess.. and they find themselves  at an IMPASSE.... THREE TIMES.. BOTH of them can AGREE to a draw.

When I play "My little Chess Partner", if he CHECKS my KING, and I MOVE... and he CHECKS my KING again, both moving in the SAME direction... EACH time, three times in a row... It's called an IMPASSE... and BOTH can agree to a DRAW.

When I play "my little Chess Partner", of course, if this happens, I simply call it a DRAW.

After all, a DRAW... in tournaments.. is WORTH  1/2  a POINT.

slim6744

If you expect your opponent to mess up, you shouldn't consider the position to be hopeless yet. But if you really believe it is hopeless, your opponent is playing very well, i think you should resign rather than hope for a draw. I don't think you're really fighting anymore then, you're trying to delay the inevitable.

 

I recently played a game with someone (online but not at this site) where I had a rook more than he had. He still played on, which made a lot of sense to me as his rating is 2100 whereas mine is 1500 or so. We've played many games together, I managed one draw and lost the rest. He knows that i do make mistakes, and I know I do, so I wasn't offended at all when he continued playing, though I was very much looking forward to my win. And then i moved a little too quickly, made this mistake, and it was mate in 2 - I lost.

 

I might have resigned the game if he had a rook more than I, I wouldn't even have dreamt of a draw. He played on, because he knows he plays much better than I do, and I might well mess up and end up with a draw or a loss.

 

So it depends on the position and the opponent.

 

Also, if I had played well in a game, hadn't made any huge big mistakes, and had a higher rating (at least 200 points) than my opponent, and he is really behind in material, I wouldn't like the thought that he would play on hoping for a blunder that would cost me the game. This is when I am really in a winning position.

 

If you don't think a position is hopeless, play on. If you sincerely believe that when your opponent continues to play as he has done so far you are going to lose whatever you try, resign. If you think it might end up as a draw, but you're not sure, continue and try to make it a draw.

 

Is that helpful?

 

See, now I never resign. It's not that I'm fighting for a draw (usually), but that I'm still new to chess and so I like to see how my opponent wins the game. I find the  process important to my learning. By seeing how they trap me, it has helped me to trap others.

slim6744 wrote:

November 16, 2007

Hello;

If TWO players are playing Chess.. and they find themselves  at an IMPASSE.... THREE TIMES.. BOTH of them can AGREE to a draw.

When I play "My little Chess Partner", if he CHECKS my KING, and I MOVE... and he CHECKS my KING again, both moving in the SAME direction... EACH time, three times in a row... It's called an IMPASSE... and BOTH can agree to a DRAW.

When I play "my little Chess Partner", of course, if this happens, I simply call it a DRAW.

After all, a DRAW... in tournaments.. is WORTH  1/2  a POINT.

slim6744

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 This post is misleading. I don't know where this term impasse is used, and it is unnecessary for both players to agree. When a position has occurred three times, or is about to be repeated for the the third time with the same player to move each time, the player to move may claim a draw. In the United States this is called "repetition of position" or "triple occurrence of position," as in the USCF Rules.

 

Some players use the term "perpetual check" to describe this rule. That terminology is also misleading, as no check is necessary for repetition to occur. Nor is the term perpetual check found in the current rules. Both the terms impasse and perpetual check might describe particular instances of repetition. 

 

FIDE Rules:

 9.2

The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by a repetition of moves)

1. is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or

2. has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.

Positions as in (a) and (b) are considered the same, if the same player has the move, pieces of the same kind and colour occupy the same squares, and the possible moves of all the pieces of both players are the same. Positions are not the same if a pawn that could have been captured en passant can no longer in this manner be captured or if the right to castle has been changed temporarily or permanently.

 

Iv had quins set up in traps in midal game, playing oponents 400 above my ratig as hiest (1800-2000) and i have several times sucseded in tricking them into a draw. (Usualy stailmate) , that is by making shore all of my peases are abal to move into a threataning position wer they are ungarded or easy to block, and then locking in my king wer it cold be checktmaited in 3-4moves, making shore that the moves falowing upp to the mait block and dont check. Wen this has a sucses rate on 20%, it usualy maiks my oponents anoyd. And it sometimes puls out the game to 60moves (a lot of time) wer they usualy acuse me of figting a lost game. Is the draw worth ther anoyens, wen you have no posibilaty of victory?

Yes it is your game too, not just theirs if you have any chance of drawing by all means try. You will never win if you give up. Fighting out those tough games also gives you skill in finishing games. Watch how your opponent finishes you off, you may learn something. If not you are definately learning how to defend with less material, all great skills to have and will benefit your game tremendously. Which means more wins for yourself.

ok, tx