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Elubas, not sure if your comment is directed to me, but if I understand your intention correctly then I agree with it, in any case.I'd call anything that fulfils the classification requirements of "animal" as an animal, and I make no value judgements about that. I simply call a thing what it is.
If for the rest of my dear life If all I had were games so badAnd I won ev'ry one of themI'd be content.
I'd play until I beat the worldI'd know I'd played the bestAnd to those chaps who would complainI'd simply sayI beat them all; I did it my way.
I've played a lot against bad chess players at school, and I always feel sorry for them.
When I play with my good chess-playing friends, we have excellent games and it's really fun to play.
So I choose the latter.
Hey your smart.
Elubas knowns how to use the Vulcan Mind Melt. Your ways will be his ways. Your mind to his mind. It appears he has gotten stronger at doing it. Last time i checked he was real good at to the point that i had to admit it. Which is a first ever.
I would lose a good game.
I'd draw a drawish game.
When i first started playing chess i learned how to draw games and became a draw master. Then got stronger and moved onto converting to wins before the option for a draw was on the table.
A game of chess should result in a draw if both parties are indeed aiming for perfection.
A win in master level chess is like a dance where one skilled dancer might misses a step, often imperceptible to spectators. The vast majority of chess play better resembles two drunkards aimlessly stumbling across the dance floor.
Ok. Can we get a photo of you stumbling across the dance floor. You said it not me.
With or without the lamp shade?
Both you say.
At my level, if I lose a game, it wasn't a good one .
Sadly, even if I win a game, it still wasn't a good one.
So I guess I would rather win a bad game, as my only other option is losing a bad game, and I see no reason to play for a loss.
@royalbishop: Why not? You can't tell which one will be more enjoyable either due to humor or amusement without seeing both.
Coaches in various sports such as tennis and American football have long stated that while everybody loves to win, what separates champions from everyone else is how much you hate to lose.
There are plenty of pertinent aphorisms, such as "show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser". Losing at chess is painful. I'd rather suffer a "bad" win than a good loss. I may not remember the wins, but my losses, no matter how well I played, are painful.
Just once, I want to see someone win, and then hurl the pieces to the ground and go storming out of the tournament hall.
Obviously in a tournament for prizes or qualification, the prize forces the competitor to choose winning the bad game.
But if you assume the outcome of the game has no effect on prizes, Gran Prix standings, etc., that it is a game without consequences beyond its own conclusion, I would much prefer to have invested my time losing a good game than winning a poor one.
Those losses hurt just as badly or even more than others, but I would still rather endure the pain of showing a very good game I lost than waste your time with a win without merit or interest.
In chess you always win! Either you win the game or you get more experienced!
You defenitely learn more from your lost games. Therefore playing well and losing will be good for deep analysis.
In a tournament of course I'll rather take the undeserved win. It only rarely happens to me!
It's better to lose a good game rather than to win a bad one. There is next to nothing to learn from winning a bad game--usually plenty to learn from losing a good one.
You can always learn from your losses.
Considering most of us here are at mediocre level, myself included of course. The outcomes of our games/tournaments win/lose/draw are hardly going to have any meaningful significance. I'm somewhat surprised by emphasis thats being afforded. Thus the only quantifiable derivative from such undertakings is our own personnel enjoyment.
i think thats a really bad atitude, what if all great people in history would have thought so... even though we never be anything more then mediocre not giving the best and strive for the best is a sin in my opinion
This is one of my perspectives of it. It is hard to think about taking time to study a game that was won compared to wondering why we lose a game.
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