Your tactical thought process?

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9th February 2009, 01:28pm
#41
by Odie_Spud
Ohio United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 95

I think that means don’t play the first thing that pops into your head. Theoretically you would never select a move if you were always looking for a better one. Think long, think wrong…once you decide on the move you think best, play it and don’t second guess yourself.

Here’s an interesting observation I made in the now out of print Thought and Choice in Chess by DeGroot: When average (say 1600-1800) players were asked to analyze a position they looked at a lot more moves than GM’s. This is not surprising because GM’s quickly cut straight to the heart of the matter. But here’s the weird thing: in many positions the average players, often within the first 2-4 moves, looked at move the GM’s also looked at; even though the GM’s may have rejected the move, they still looked at it! The average players often talked themselves out of playing the move in their search for something better. You can gain a lot of rating points playing GM rejects.

Trust your instincts. Look at 3 or 4 moves and if in the process of evaluating them you aren’t lead to look at anything else, play the one that looks the most threatening even if it’s only in a general sort of way. Why not give it a try?

9th February 2009, 01:37pm
#42
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
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Thanks atomichicken, that was helpful.

9th February 2009, 03:27pm
#43
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 23167

I play defencively most of the time. And make the moves that look the strongest.

9th February 2009, 07:57pm
#44
by CircleSquaredd
Wisconsin United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 161

I was looking at some chess quotes by famous players the other day and there was one that went something like "To spot tactics takes observation, but to find a strategy requites thought" generally speaking tactics can be seen without thinking! I think this is true because you know whats going to happen without the need for calculating. This is interesting in that if you do have a long term goal or strategy and are not careful with the tactics you choose they can end up hurting you.

Since I have all these chess quotes rattling in my brain here's one from Bobby Fisher: "Tactics flow from a superior position"

9th February 2009, 08:08pm
#45
by Narz
Pitman, New Jersey United States
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Member Points: 2813

oh yeah, Re1, seems so obvious now!

9th February 2009, 08:15pm
#46
by erikido23
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 981

my "method" is a trigger goes off that tells me there is a tactic somewhere.  I stare at the board and look for a simple tactic if it doesn't immediately hit me then I look for hanging pieces/loose pieces etc and then see if there is a piece that I need to have moved to a different square to allow the tactic.   I will also mess around with move order.  A lot of missed tactics are things which people were looking at but simply failed to recognize the correct move order. 

10th February 2009, 04:06am
#47
by rigamagician
Toronto Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 4225

A forcing move is not always the best move.  In Think Like a Grandmaster, Kotov talks about "creeping moves," quiet moves that convert a seemingly even position into a winning one.  In Improve Your Chess Now, Tisdall introduces the concept of "brinkmates," quiet moves which take away the opponent's king's last flight squares, and make mate inevitable.

In Play Like a Grandmaster, Kotov also talks about how certain 'motifs' (features of the position) make possible combinations which culminate in certain winning 'themes' (e.g. queening, skewers, smothered mate, epaulette mate).  There are a wide range of motifs, e.g. batteries, overloaded defenders, advanced or passed pawns, a weak or cramped king position, and undefended or hemmed in pieces.  If you are familiar with these motifs, and the combinations used to capitalize on them, plausible candidate moves should leap out at you as soon as you have finished assessing the position.

I am a little wary of the word "intuition" because it can be used to describe both instinctive hunches or guesses where you have no idea why you like a certain move, as well as grandmaster expertise based upon years of experience with different motifs and themes.  Obviously, we are hoping to hone this expertise rather than just keep guessing blindly without knowing why.

Both Botvinnik and Kasparov recommend analyzing your own games, especially your losses, to find out where you went wrong as one of the best ways to improve both your combinational vision and your chess skills more generally.

I should also note that Tisdall (and later Nunn) argue against trying to draw up a complete list of candidate moves before you start analyzing.  They see some logic in first examining the continuation you think looks most promising, and only broadening your search when the first variation turns out worse than your initial assessment.  Following one variation through to the end may even give you ideas for other moves to try, and it will save time if it turns out to be a winning line.

10th February 2009, 05:33am
#48
by prashanth21
hyderabad India
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1420

i won't waste time for thinking the move,i just prefer in 2 mins to make the next move but it is very disadventage to me though i lost many games while playing rapid chess

10th February 2009, 09:27am
#49
by drmr4vrmr
baguio Philippines
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 463

blunders are the best trainer, specially where it hurts.. go blunder away!! makes you a better chess player. lol

10th February 2009, 10:05am
#50
by BlankFrank
Left Blank United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 68
CircleSquaredd wrote:

Since I have all these chess quotes rattling in my brain here's one from Bobby Fisher: "Tactics flow from a superior position"


I like this one from Fisher and thanks for sharing it.

 

My daughter beat me in her first game of chess and She said " It was just luck daddy."

Call it what you want but we discussed how she can increase her good luck by following the general rules regarding developing rooks to file, etc...

I am going to share this one with her.

When it comes to being a defensive player and threats they say

-Block the Threat

-Move out of the way

-Find a bigger Threat

 

#1 for me is FIND A BIGGER THREAT !!!

I love a game that is filled with one threat after another - "MEXICAN STANDOFF"

I am far from being a very good player but these are the type of chess games I enjoy playing and I think answering with a bigger threat or an equal one maintainst the struggle for the initiative.

Play for similar positions and avoid changing our game as it allows for similar motiff's to appear. If you Blocking and preventing threats are not my first choice because they allow the opponent to dictate the position on the board. They have likely used this same threat over and over and have seen the defense before.

Keep your EGO out of it !!

 

Don't ever let yourself get crushed by a chess game. If you get Beat, Suck it up and try not to learn from your mistake. Chess is a game of mistakes.

 

As my Momma always said, "Son, if it were not for big mistakes, you would not exist."

 

: )

10th February 2009, 07:29pm
#51
by lochness88
Sydney Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 233
BlankFrank wrote:

As my Momma always said, "Son, if it were not for big mistakes, you would not exist."

: )


Ahhh hahahahaha!

12th February 2009, 08:14am
#52
by ibiwisi
Foster City, California United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 58

Likesforests:  Excellent thread!  Thank you.

12th February 2009, 08:17am
#53
by ibiwisi
Foster City, California United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 58
Beelzebub666 wrote:

... The time between hitting submit and the page refreshing is generally a piercing moment of clarity....


 Good one, Beelzebub!  Who among us hasn't experienced this "piercing moment"? LOL

12th February 2009, 08:20am
#54
by ibiwisi
Foster City, California United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 58
aansel wrote:

The whole concept of how we look at a board and consider moves in a very interesting topic with many good books written on it


 Aansel:  Thanks for your post.  Can you (or anyone else) recommend a few of these books?  Thanks.

12th February 2009, 09:05am
#55
by aansel
Long Island United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 682

Here are some books I like. I am not sure what the minimum chess strength is to enjoy them but I would break them down as follows. Note I am doing this off the top of my head so the titles may be off a litte

 

Under 1600 

Reassess your Chess--there also is a work book which I have not seen. 

This book is really good explaining the ideas of moves and the thought process.

Above 1500/1600

Think Like a Grandmaster by Kotov was really the first book to explain candidate moves and chess psychology.

Improve Your Chess Now-Tisdall excellent book

Analysis to Win by Jacobs a little below Tisdall but excellent

Books by Aagard are great for also though they may be a little more advanced

 

There are plenty more but those are my main favorites--Dvoretsky is way too hard for anyone under 2000 ( or 2200 in my opinion)

12th February 2009, 03:49pm
#56
by rigamagician
Toronto Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 4225

Kotov is definitely seminal, and Tisdall brings a lot of fresh new ideas to the whole problem.  Andy Soltis' How to Choose a Chess Move is a good book that is fairly easy to follow.  John Nunn's Secrets of Practical Chess also has some interesting observations on choosing moves.

My feeling is that Dvoretsky follows Kotov pretty closely without adding much new.  I wouldn't consider Aagard "advanced."  He often oversimplifies important distinctions, and spends too much time on particular examples without looking at the bigger picture.  I would also put Silman in the oversimplifying camp, but anyway, Reassess Your Chess is a very popular book with lower level players.

12th February 2009, 04:14pm
#57
by Cleptomania
Tacoma, WA United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 164

Perhaps players have different ability, talent, and learning needs.  I can try all the methods in the world, but if I haven't seen something like it before, I'm lost.  So even though I'm "experienced", I've resorted to the "back to basics" of working on lots of tactical problems.  However, I am looking over this excellent thread for ideas new to me!  Thanks

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