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50 move draw rule


  • 14 months ago · Quote · #1

    soothsayer8

    Is the rule that after 50 moves without a capture or pawn move, the game automatically ends in a draw upheld in chess.com online games? I'm currently hosting a tournament in which the last caputure (and subsequently pawn move) took place on move 49, one player has night and bishop and is trying to mate the opponents lone king, but isn't having any luck. Now they are at move 119, 10 moves past the point the draw should have been reached. What can be done about this? Let them play it out until mate or they agree to draw it?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #2

    omnipaul

    The thing about this rule is that it is not automatic; this is a common misconception about it and the repetition draw.  If either player wants the draw, they must claim it by pressing the appropriate button.

    Unfortunately, you may need to let them play it out.  Informing them about this option and how to do it could be misconstrued as "external assistance," especially since a mate is theoretically forceable.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #3

    omnipaul

    ReasonableDoubt, watching such videos is explicitly allowed, as they are a static resource that deals with a general situation.  What is not allowed is plugging your specific position into an engine or tablebase (an exhaustive database that gives the best move for specific endgame positions).

    There's a difference between using instructional materials to learn the technique (where you still have to think of how to use the technique to guide yourself to the key positions) and using something that explicitly tells you the move to make for your specific position.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #4

    soothsayer8

    yeah, I'm not sure why the player without any pieces wouldn't claim the draw, but I'm sure the game will resolve itself one way or another. Thanks.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #5

    DimebagDerek

    Hmmm, so on a game I just played, no pawn moves were made after move 41 and the game ended on move 125 with just 1 second left and my opponent flagged.  Had I (or he for that matter) hit offer draw, it would have automatically claimed draw???

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #6

    TadDude

    DimebagDerek wrote:

    Hmmm, so on a game I just played, no pawn moves were made after move 41 and the game ended on move 125 with just 1 second left and my opponent flagged.  Had I (or he for that matter) hit offer draw, it would have automatically claimed draw???


    http://www.chess.com/learn-how-to-play-chess.html#draws

    "Fifty consecutive moves have been played where neither player has moved a pawn or captured a piece."

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #7

    whirlwind2011

    @omnipaul: Regarding post #3, I may be wrong, but a TD informing the participants of the need to claim the draw might not be construed as external assistance, since the necessity to claim draws by the 50-move rule is openly divulged in the site's help menus.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #8

    DimebagDerek

    There were no captures either.  And I believe the 3 move repetition rule doesn't have to be back to back, only the same position has been achieved 3 times?  Anyhow there was plenty of that as well.  I kept thinking the draw would just happen....but apparently I have to offer a draw after either condition is achieved and then it will automatically claim it?

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #9

    soothsayer8

    Update: The game in questions has officially been drawn by the 50 move rule, 100 moves after any capture or pawn move. Makes me wanna study up on how to mate with knight and bishop ;)

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #10

    DimebagDerek

    Speaking of, I had a blitz game the other day and it was knight bishop and pawn vs rook and pawn....and he had to sac his rook for my pawn and I did not have enough time to finish him.  Only time in all my games I have even had the opportunity to attempt knight and bishop mate.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #11

    soothsayer8

    That's why I always like to play games with at least a little bonus time.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #12

    Sorg67

    I am in a probable draw game at the moment.  I have offered a draw and it was declined.  We have gone 35 moves since the last pawn was taken.  No pieces have been taken since.  I am going to be interested to see if the "offer draw" button changes to "claim draw".  I have seen the "claim draw" button for 3X repitition, but I have not seen it for 50 moves.  Almost had one a while back when I got mated by a bishop and a knight on move 48 after the 50 move count began.  I did not think he was going to get me, but he did. 

    If my current games makes it to the 50th move, I will post a description of how it works.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #13

    chessitus


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