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Just played this person and I had 3minutes advantage when all of a sudden it changed to a .68 seconds and we ended in a draw since he had insufficient material but am so disappointed that people are able to cheat the clock or chess.com is adjusting the time delay unfairly.
Ask some of the staff if there is a clock issue. Your opponent cannot cheat on the clock.
What is absurd in the draw declaration: Your opponent does have sufficient material to win, and you would lose the game in any official tournament.
I'd be so upset if I lost like that as black -.-
It is technically possible to cheat the clock in live chess.
The only debate is, are there any chess.com members with the technical acumen to purchase and install a $20 piece of software.
Unfortunately chess isn't a help mate. White can't checkmate on his own.
So, according to your reasoning, all chess games should be declared drawn at move one, as neither player can win "on his own".
I don't "cheat the clock" but when I see that, even though I'm clearly losing very badly, I have a shot at winning because my opponent's time is running out, I'll definitely see if I can survive until the clock runs out and I win!
This has happened to me in half hour games before. I don't PLAN for this to happen; that would, besides being not fun and kind of unethical, be silly, stupid, and unbeneficial for me. But if my opponent has taken too long, too bad! There's a clock for a reason.
It doesn't matter whether black is bad enough to play his rook and king that way, white has sufficient material.
If white is going up the board and black is going down, and it is blacks move, Black is in a checkmate position.
Aside from the clock. It is Checkmate.
The Knight is checking the black king and it can't move any where.
Show the rule Daeru
FIDE Rules, par. 5.2:
The game is drawn when a position has arisen in which neither player can checkmate the opponent’s king with any series of legal moves. The game is said to end in a ‘dead position’. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing the position was legal. (See Article 9.6)
Now what? Maybe those guys at FIDE are wrong or something?
It is impractical for Chess.com to implement FIDE article 10.2 (similar to the USCF's "Insufficient losing chances" rule). Therefore, they have identified conditions that they believe would meet 10.2 and have labeled them as insufficient material. It's not perfect, but it is a reasonable compromise.
If the player, having the move, has less than two minutes left on his clock, he may claim a draw before his flag falls. He shall summon the arbiter and may stop the clocks. (See Article 6.12.b)
If the arbiter agrees the opponent is making no effort to win the game by normal means, or that it is not possible to win by normal means, then he shall declare the game drawn. Otherwise he shall postpone his decision or reject the claim.
Except where one of the Articles: 5.1.a, 5.1.b, 5.2.a, 5.2.b, 5.2.c applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.
The position shown in Daeru's post can be reached by a series of legal moves.
That is just FIDE opinion same as chess.com opinion.
However i do prefer it as it is on other online chess places, running out of time should be a loss.BTW if your clock suddenly changed it means your computer is having lag to the chess.com server so its either on your end(lousy connect) or chess.com server too busy, make sure your connection is well greased to minimize this nonsense(chess.com should autodetect that it isnt connected to you and freeze your clock, its unfair to run the clock when you dont know its your move or whatnot)
All of this 'rules" debate is irrelevant, Black was clearly winning, but allegedly lost 3 minutes; I'm interested in how that could have happened; is it possible to cheat the clock?
(@cheating the clock)No it isnt. There is no way for your opponent to do this.
...in which case the OP should contact Staff and report the issue.
The literal interpretation of what you just wrote indicates if his opponent WAS cheating, he should not report it? Just sayin
Thanks to you all for the comments and suggestions,and lets play, chess the best mind game.
I have an impeccable internet speed. Never lose internet connection. However, recently there have been several bullet games that I have lost at the end of the game because of odd time lags. It only occurs at the end of a game, and always when my opponent is losing on time or material. I have heard the debate go back and forth between the impossible to the possible in regards to people using time management programs to help them in live chess. If the parameters were different, if I intermittedly lagged, or occassionally lost connection, or if I was losing and the time suddenly spiked I would assume it was just bad luck, poor internet, or lag from the server. However, it ONLY happens when I am winning either on time or material, and at the end of the game. Suddenly I go from having 30 seconds on the clock to having 0. And the time lapse isn't thirty seconds either. Perhaps a time lag of 10 to 15 seconds. There must be a program that people can use that artificially changes the clock.
There are but in the past players who mention them by name get banned.
Thank you cookiemonster for supporting my argument and clearly explaining what exactly takes place in such occasions,it is really disappointing to lose a game this way.I hope chess.com will have a look at this phenomenom.
hi cookie monster me too ALWAYS BUT ALWAYS when in a winning position I get ' spiked ' game stops and then when it finally restarts i am down to single seconds or zero . Or when opponent has to think he gets a time out in awkward positions yes its real and chess.com must know about it and I assume are trying to resolve with their down time on servers of late ...be nice for them to say yes its a problem.
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