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31st October 2009, 12:45am
#1
by DeathScepter
Castle Red Death United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 245

Well, the first thing you need to do is check to see what your, and your fathers pieces, are doing. Are all of your pieces reaching their full potential? Are there any weaknesses in your own camp that you can repair, or any weaknesses in your fathers position that you can strike at? You should seek guidance to get better at chess, not answers.

31st October 2009, 02:21am
#2
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 2720

Are you sure you did the diagram correctly? Is your dad down a full rook? If it is correct you should have a clear path to victory. You should constantly simplify (get material off the board) to make the most of your material advantage. Eventually your extra rook will be crushing.

Your dad's position is full of problems. Dad has attempted an attack but with just a N and B -- it isn't enough to get the job done and those pieces, particularly the B, are vulnerable. His back rank is weak. His dark square bishop and his rook aren't doing anything.

If I were your dad I'd move Bf4 (hopefully I'm not missing something big): It double attacks (discovered attack on your B and attacks the pawn on c7) it lets the rook defend the back rank, and it activates the B and opens the way for the rook to enter the game.  It also subtly defends the Bishop on h7. If you try to trap his Bishop with g6?? He plays Be5#!

After Bf4 you should probably just play Bd6 where your bishop and pawn defend each other and you forcing his Bishop to move again to avoid exchanging. After that you just want to bring your N and R into the game.

If your dad makes a dumb move, like Be4, you should move Re8 (which pins the bishop because you threaten Re1#).

You should probably resist the temptation for the moment to play f6 chasing away his N from defending the Bishop because it leads to complications you don't need after he replies Ne6. Get your N and your a-Rook involved and simplify whenever possible and you should win this game.

31st October 2009, 03:10am
#3
by bigmac30
devon England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 620

your dad is in a bit of a mess idealy he would move the bishop to e4 but its tricky if Bishop e4 then rook e8 f3 to trap bishop  and stop mate bishoap a4 followed bishop c6 it is totally won for you

31st October 2009, 03:17am
#4
by NM OmarCayenne
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 12607

So...apparently you're trying to cheat in a game against your dad...which for some reason you're playing by correspondence or something (so you've had time to enter this post)...

Seriously, just play your own moves and learn something about the game (instead of continuing in this vein).

31st October 2009, 03:21am
#5
by hicetnunc
Neuilly-sur-Seine France
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 5379

Think by yourself ! Smile

31st October 2009, 03:36am
#6
by NM Reb
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 7857
tonydal wrote:

So...apparently you're trying to cheat in a game against your dad...which for some reason you're playing by correspondence or something (so you've had time to enter this post)...

Seriously, just play your own moves and learn something about the game (instead of continuing in this vein).


 My thoughts exactly !  Its bad enough to cheat but against a family member !?? My goodness !  Are kids taught today that its ok to cheat ?  It seems that way to me.....

31st October 2009, 03:42am
#7
by MM78
Ireland
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 4517

ask Dad to buy Fritz 12 for your birthday.  Seriously you would cheat against your own Dad???

31st October 2009, 03:43am
#8
by Crazychessplaya
Warsaw Poland
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 4832

The request for help is disgraceful. Does your dad cheat on you? I hope not. Try to beat him on your own, and analyze the game afterwards.

31st October 2009, 03:51am
#9
by goldendog
beertopia United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 9118

Everyone's scolding this kid lol!

31st October 2009, 04:03am
#10
by hackattack
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Sep 2009
Member Points: 169

how on earth did you manage to get the time to post this up while playing against someone OTB? (I'm assuming it's otb)

31st October 2009, 11:07am
#11
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 2720
Reb wrote:
tonydal wrote:

So...apparently you're trying to cheat in a game against your dad...which for some reason you're playing by correspondence or something (so you've had time to enter this post)...

Seriously, just play your own moves and learn something about the game (instead of continuing in this vein).


 My thoughts exactly !  Its bad enough to cheat but against a family member !?? My goodness !  Are kids taught today that its ok to cheat ?  It seems that way to me.....


Oh my word! Cheating? He asked for help against his Dad... and as a Dad, let me say: You aren't allowed to cheat against anyone, except your Dad! Do you people have children?

It's not a tournament, it's not rated, it's a friendly game against Dad ... is there any game on earth more appropriate for learning and instruction? If this kid were really bent on "cheating" don't you think he'd go about it a little more stealthily? Apparently I'm outnumbered, but I find the moralizing here silly and not encouraging of anything positive.

31st October 2009, 11:22am
#12
by Elubas
United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 7816

I don't think dad would appreciate the cheating. He should ask at least.

31st October 2009, 11:43am
#13
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 2720
Elubas wrote:

I don't think dad would appreciate the cheating. He should ask at least.


Is it really cheating? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm soliciting opinions... in my honest and sincere opinion I wouldn't call asking for help analyzing the position in an adjourned family game with dad, cheating... I'd call it research, initiative, and competitive enthusiasm... obviously it's not allowed in a more formal situation, but this isn't a formal situation. I very sincerely think the kid gets the benefit of the doubt. I just apply it to myself and think, if my kid goes to the internet to research a chess position for help in a game against me -- would that bother me? Uh... I worry about my kids a lot... and they aren't teenagers yet.. I can tell you right now, this is not high up on my list of fears!  Indeed, it's on my list of hopes.

Isn't this exactly like an old-fashioned adjourned game? Was that cheating, when players researched with their seconds during adjournments in the old days?

31st October 2009, 12:10pm
#14
by Elubas
United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 7816

I don't think asking a question here is clever and yes it seems rude to just ask for advice on someone who wanted to play the game against just one person, not everybody on these forums. I mean considering it's unrated, this isn't terrible but seems to be a bit rude. I wouldn't like it.

31st October 2009, 12:18pm
#15
by sss3006
blore India
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 155

maybe dad is a rook down because of posts like this :-) and replies to such posts :-)))

31st October 2009, 02:33pm
#16
by bigmac30
devon England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 620

the game was probly played the boy is a bit confused me tbhinks yaaahhh

31st October 2009, 02:52pm
#17
by NM OmarCayenne
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 12607
JG27Pyth wrote:

I find the moralizing here silly and not encouraging of anything positive.


I don't think the "moralizing" angle is as important here as getting across the message that he'll get a lot more out of the game if he comes up with his own moves (and asks for advice later).  And encouraging someone to get help on the sly does not seem to be any too terribly positive.

But perhaps bigmac is right:  maybe the game has already been played (and the kid just mixed his tenses).

31st October 2009, 03:13pm
#18
by meiklejohn
Australia
Member Since: Jul 2009
Member Points: 59

i played this game with my dad 1 mouth ago and i won i just put this up so that i would see what i could of done beter

31st October 2009, 03:20pm
#19
by masteryoda
USA United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 307

NO I CANT HELP YOU LIVE WITH IT

THERE IS NO HELP IN THE WORLD YOUNG BLOOD

THEY NEVER HELP YOU.

NEVER WILL HELP YOU

ITS A HARSH, UNFAIR WORLD

31st October 2009, 03:29pm
#20
by SerbianChessStar
Belgrade Serbia
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 4012

Is it me or did the owner of the post got banned?

I dont see his first post at all.. what was his name?

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