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  • 12 months ago · Quote · #61

    Scottrf

    Exactly, a 1200 player online is a lot worse than a 1200 blitz.

    They probably even play worse moves despite the relative time controls, so it just gives you longer to play at a similar or worse standard.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #62

    ToadyCody

    Did everyone start off much, much better than I am right now? I can't believe I'm so bad. Where are all the players who haven't already spent thousands of hours on the game?

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #63

    ManlyLadyLumps

    ToadyCody wrote:

    Did everyone start off much, much better than I am right now? I can't believe I'm so bad. Where are all the players who haven't already spent thousands of hours on the game?

    I assure you you're nothing special when it comes to horrible beginnings. When I first started on this site around 6 or 7 months ago, i got thrashed and ripped apart every game, i ended up settling at some ungodly three digit rating for months, but sitting around feeling sorry for myself didn't do anything, go over your games, see where you went wrong, and make a concerned effort to not make the same mistake twice in a row, just to start off. Oh and the most important thing, until you get to around 1300-1500, do not resign at all, seriously, I've played people around my level who didn't know basic king and pawn endings, even if you know you are completely lost, at least you will start to see how to convert winning positions into won games, and keep playing

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #64

    ajttja

    ToadyCody wrote:

    Did everyone start off much, much better than I am right now? I can't believe I'm so bad. Where are all the players who haven't already spent thousands of hours on the game?

    everyone lost their first 20 games of chess on chess.com, but i think almost everyobody (that hasn't already quit)  started of better than you, you try to lose which makes you a loser (literly) we all try to win againsst better players and to improve at chess not get worse at it.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #65

    stupaud

    You seem to be very unhappy about losing so many games, which is understandable, but what is your strategy for improving? As far as I can tell, your strategy is to keep playing as many games as possible in the hopes that you will somehow improve.

    I am not a very good player and I have lost a lot of games, but I am actually a better player than I was a few years ago. I started reading up on strategy, opening theory and general principles. I don't play any live chess shorter than 30 minutes and I don't make moves without at least a few seconds of thought.

    You don't need to memorize thousands of opening lines but you do need to have some idea of why you are making the moves that you are. You tend to play the same opening for White that I do (e4, Nf3, Bc4) but do you know why you are making those moves? Could you explain to me your reasoning behind those moves?

    There is a plethora of (free!) information out there that can help you to improve. All you have to do is accept that it will take some time and some effort.

    Good luck!Smile

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #66

    CSBFXE

    Stupaud makes a lot of good points! When I began playing chess I had the attitude that I should try to figure everything out myself without studying books and other resources. I felt this way because I wanted to prove to myself that I was naturally a great chess player. After only a few weeks I realized how flawed this thought process was. Very few chess players are able to teach themselves how to play just by thinking about the game without any outside help (I would imagine only true prodigies can do this, the same people that go on to be in the top .001 percent of chess players).

    The best way to improve is to play lots of games and find a good source that teaches basic chess strategies. Yasser Seirawan has a great book called "Playing Winning Chess" which is full of great strategic and tactical advice for someone starting to study chess.

    I felt the same way you did when starting, but after reading a few books, studying tactics, and playing lots of games, my rating started to improve :)

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #67

    astronomer999

    You don't need the books. There's lots of free stuff on the net.

    Seriously, playing against a computer is not a waste of time. Footballers, fighters, swimmers, skiers all spend a lot of time practising without competing. And it doesn't feel so bad to lose. Even Kasparov got beaten once or twice

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #68

    astronomer999

    Scottrf wrote:

    Exactly, a 1200 player online is a lot worse than a 1200 blitz.

    They probably even play worse moves despite the relative time controls, so it just gives you longer to play at a similar or worse standard.

    Is that what you think?

    IMO online players who have huge ratings compared to regular play are likely to be using computers to get their moves, or, at least checking their moves using a computer before making them (which is not actually cheating, but how can you call it fair play)

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #69

    stupaud

    astronomer999 wrote:
    Scottrf wrote:

    Exactly, a 1200 player online is a lot worse than a 1200 blitz.

    They probably even play worse moves despite the relative time controls, so it just gives you longer to play at a similar or worse standard.

    Is that what you think?

    IMO online players who have huge ratings compared to regular play are likely to be using computers to get their moves, or, at least checking their moves using a computer before making them (which is not actually cheating, but how can you call it fair play)

    If that is what they are doing then it's cheating, plain and simple.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #70

    ToadyCody

    stupaud wrote:

    You seem to be very unhappy about losing so many games, which is understandable, but what is your strategy for improving? As far as I can tell, your strategy is to keep playing as many games as possible in the hopes that you will somehow improve.

    I am not a very good player and I have lost a lot of games, but I am actually a better player than I was a few years ago. I started reading up on strategy, opening theory and general principles. I don't play any live chess shorter than 30 minutes and I don't make moves without at least a few seconds of thought.

    You don't need to memorize thousands of opening lines but you do need to have some idea of why you are making the moves that you are. You tend to play the same opening for White that I do (e4, Nf3, Bc4) but do you know why you are making those moves? Could you explain to me your reasoning behind those moves?

    There is a plethora of (free!) information out there that can help you to improve. All you have to do is accept that it will take some time and some effort.

    Good luck!

    My opening are sending pieces out to control the center of the board, and defend the pieces out there. I didn't know why I was doing these openings at first, but I've read up on tactics.

    It doesn't feel too bad losing sometimes, even 3/4 times, but every single time is just too much.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #71

    stupaud

    ToadyCody wrote:
    stupaud wrote:

    You seem to be very unhappy about losing so many games, which is understandable, but what is your strategy for improving? As far as I can tell, your strategy is to keep playing as many games as possible in the hopes that you will somehow improve.

    I am not a very good player and I have lost a lot of games, but I am actually a better player than I was a few years ago. I started reading up on strategy, opening theory and general principles. I don't play any live chess shorter than 30 minutes and I don't make moves without at least a few seconds of thought.

    You don't need to memorize thousands of opening lines but you do need to have some idea of why you are making the moves that you are. You tend to play the same opening for White that I do (e4, Nf3, Bc4) but do you know why you are making those moves? Could you explain to me your reasoning behind those moves?

    There is a plethora of (free!) information out there that can help you to improve. All you have to do is accept that it will take some time and some effort.

    Good luck!

    My opening are sending pieces out to control the center of the board, and defend the pieces out there. I didn't know why I was doing these openings at first, but I've read up on tactics.

    It doesn't feel too bad losing sometimes, even 3/4 times, but every single time is just too much.

    Do you want to play some online 1-day games with me? We can talk about your moves and your thinking behind them.

    It doesn't have to be with me of course, but I think you need to give the live chess a rest for a while and play some slow games (1-3 days) with people who will give you feedback on your moves.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #72

    qrayons

    astronomer999 wrote:
    Scottrf wrote:

    Exactly, a 1200 player online is a lot worse than a 1200 blitz.

    They probably even play worse moves despite the relative time controls, so it just gives you longer to play at a similar or worse standard.

    Is that what you think?

    IMO online players who have huge ratings compared to regular play are likely to be using computers to get their moves, or, at least checking their moves using a computer before making them (which is not actually cheating, but how can you call it fair play)

    What is your opinion based on? If you go to http://www.chess.com/echess/players you can see that the average online rating is about 200 points higher than the average live rating. If you take a game from live standard where the players are rated ~1200 and compare it to an online game where the players are rated ~1200, you will see way more blunders in the online game.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #73

    Adkerson

    I keep seeing advice like "learn openings" or "learn pawn structure."  What?  If you learn the rules, and how the pieces move, that should put you in the 1000s range.  If you learn basic tactics, that should put you in the 1200s range.

    /end thread

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #74

    kamuimaru

    Adkerson wrote:

    I keep seeing advice like "learn openings" or "learn pawn structure."  What?  If you learn the rules, and how the pieces move, that should put you in the 1000s range.  If you learn basic tactics, that should put you in the 1200s range.

    /end thread

    NOPENOPENOPE. I am sure that I know the rules. Or is it just me?

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #75

    waffllemaster

    Adkerson wrote:

    I keep seeing advice like "learn openings" or "learn pawn structure."  What?  If you learn the rules, and how the pieces move, that should put you in the 1000s range.  If you learn basic tactics, that should put you in the 1200s range.

    /end thread

    Especially for blitz ratings, that doesn't seem right.  Just knowing the rules doesn't mean you'll be 1000 right away.  And while some people below 1000 make seemingly random or bizarre moves, some of them actually open the game reasonably and know some tactics.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #76

    idreesarif

    Adkerson wrote:

    I keep seeing advice like "learn openings" or "learn pawn structure."  What?  If you learn the rules, and how the pieces move, that should put you in the 1000s range.  If you learn basic tactics, that should put you in the 1200s range.

    /end thread

    completely disagreed !

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #77

    Black_Locust

    When I started here, my online rating dropped into the 900's, though I knew the rules.  I just made too many stupid mistakes.  With some basic tactics and a little practice I'm into the 1200's.  In blitz & bullet, the time pressure really changes the situation for an inexperienced player.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #78

    chesswasteland

    ToadyCody wrote:

    I just started with a rank of around 1200, and even at 600 after getting destroyed quickly 10 times, I'm getting annihilated. Is there a way to put my rank in a proper place so I get fair matches?

    You lowered your rank by just asking this question.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #79

    Adkerson

    waffllemaster wrote:
    Adkerson wrote: ...

    Especially for blitz ratings, that doesn't seem right.  Just knowing the rules doesn't mean you'll be 1000 right away.  And while some people below 1000 make seemingly random or bizarre moves, some of them actually open the game reasonably and know some tactics.

    In blitz, I suppose that doesn't apply.  I have only ever played online, and that's what I refer to here, and perhaps I've simply had a different experience than others, but I genuinely don't ever remember being below 1000.  And I learned the rules recently enough to remember.


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